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Getting Opiates Prescribed for Pain

Why hello there, T-Nation,

I know there are a lot of knowledgeable people and a few doctors amongst you, so I come to you for advice:

I’ve had back pain for about 4 years now. Basically, my upper/mid back is always stiff and if I stand or sit upright for more than ~20 minutes, I start to feel pain that gets progressively worse. Starts out concentrated and as an annoying pain, maybe a 2/10, and progressively spreads across my back and turns into a 7-8/10.

I’ll try not to write unnecessary stuff here, so let’s just say that it severely effects my quality of life. I’ve seen five or six doctors and they all say, with great confidence, that it’s from various sources and that they can fix it. I always do what they say and nothing helps. I’ve been through physical therapy twice. I’ve stopped lifting and that just made it worse, so I still lift.

So, I’d like to get some opiates prescribed, preferably oxycodone. I can be on 400mg codeine and 400+mg Tramadol and still be in a good amount of pain.

Thing is, the source is undiagnosed. And any doctor I see either basically gives up, send me to another doctor, or send me to therapy, which I go to for however long and it does nothing. Who do I need to see and what do I need to say to get a prescription for some strong opiates, preferably with refills? Hydrocodone doesn’t really do much either, and the APAP is a bitch and I have to cold water extract it.

Just now, I found some local docs off of http://www.aapainmanage.org/, a site that someone on a Yahoo answers thread posted. But before I call/go to see one, I’d like to know what I have to say to get at least oxycodone prescribed.

Thank you,

wouldnt you rather have the source of the pain found instead of just masking it with painkillers forever? i would think most doctors are just going to think you are trying to shop them to get pills to resell them on the street.

Oxy is brutal shit but I love it. Stay away from it it you want to remain sane. Fix the problem…oxy is right there with heroin and morphine. Bad news if you get hooked man.

I was on the shit for six months with a ruptured disc, and I’m glad I don’t still have issues because I can become a pill whore in a few weeks. If you do get it take as prescribed and not 3x what is prescribed.

oxycodone+Xanax= happy kerley

[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
wouldnt you rather have the source of the pain found instead of just masking it with painkillers forever? i would think most doctors are just going to think you are trying to shop them to get pills to resell them on the street. [/quote]
I would rather cure the source, but like I said, I’ve had no such luck yet. Meanwhile, I’d like to get something prescribed that makes my daily life better. And I realize that most doctors will think that, which is why I’m asking for advice on what exactly to say to them. It’s not like I have an injury that I can just show them.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Oxy is brutal shit but I love it. Stay away from it it you want to remain sane. Fix the problem…oxy is right there with heroin and morphine. Bad news if you get hooked man.

I was on the shit for six months with a ruptured disc, and I’m glad I don’t still have issues because I can become a pill whore in a few weeks. If you do get it take as prescribed and not 3x what is prescribed.

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I realize all this, but I appreciate the concern. I’m going to be on opiates whether they’re prescribed or not. I’d just much rather have them prescribed. Street prices are retarded and sources are unreliable, and nothing OTC works. I just got back from Costa Rica with a bunch of shit they have OTC there, but it’s all about as strong as codeine, including codeine, so I have to take like 3 opiates at once, along with potentiators. And codeine lasts about 2 hours, barely helps pain, and you can’t go above 400mg per 6 hours.

I was also looking at Canadian online pharmacies, like this:
http://pillsgate.com/pill/Oxycodone_HCI?xrenid=klik_33606-466
But reviews say that they are unreliable and that the drugs are of very low potency. Also considering getting opium poppies online and making that tea. That shit’s a hassle, expensive, inconsistent, and fairly weak, though…

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]clockworkchad wrote:
wouldnt you rather have the source of the pain found instead of just masking it with painkillers forever? i would think most doctors are just going to think you are trying to shop them to get pills to resell them on the street. [/quote]
I would rather cure the source, but like I said, I’ve had no such luck yet. Meanwhile, I’d like to get something prescribed that makes my daily life better. And I realize that most doctors will think that, which is why I’m asking for advice on what exactly to say to them. It’s not like I have an injury that I can just show them.[/quote]

Then you will be out of luck in most places. You apparently have pain from unknown sources that affects your daily life…and you want a doctor to be responsible for explaining in court (should anything happen) why he didn’t try to fix the problem but instead had a hand in getting you addicted to hardcore pain meds for life?

Oxycodone is HIGHLY addictive. There is no way in hell I, or anyone I know, would risk their license like this.

Find out what the problem is and quit trying to mask it. This isn’t an episode of House MD.

ugh… I don’t know what to tell you, only this: don’t get hooked on that shit, as it will take your soul. I’ve had some friends who did and it changed them.

If your only choice is “painkillers”…

Are you in a state where medicinal marijuana is legal?

I feel your frustration as I have been dealing with back pain for 3 years. Did they find anything in the X-ray or MRI? I’ve been to 2 chiro’s , couple doctors and physical therapy for over a year. The insurance company stopped covering therapy because none of this shit helped. But to be honest, I’d rather deal with the pain then risk getting hooked on pain killers. I stopped taking percosets 2 weeks after knee surgery because they felt too good. Even though I still had pretty bad pain.

Sorry I couldn’t be of more help, but I’ll be another one to warn you about getting hooked on this shit. Drugs are baaaad…mmmmmkay…

http://www.rsds.org/2/library/article_archive/pop/Fields_ScientificAmerican.pdf Very relevant to your case, anyways there are tons of articles and forum discussions on back pain, read up eric cressy articles and google back pain threads on tnation.

drive to Florida and find a pain clinic. Many articles on this, google it.

@Professor X: Like I said, I’ve tried. And I’m going to keep trying. But meanwhile, like I said, it’d be nice to be able to do everyday shit without being in progressively worsening pain.

@flipHKD_6: I’m in IL, and no, it’s not. I have plenty of weed, but it doesn’t help pain at all. I smoke to potentiate the opiates. That and DPH and DXM, sometimes benzos.

@sam_sneed: The X-Rays show very mild sclerosis. Otherwise, I’m fine. I also had a blood test that my mom made me get a few weeks ago and they scheduled a followup, so we’ll see what they say. My blood pressure was really low, too. I hadn’t eaten breakfast because of the blood test and had probably been on some form of depressant the night before. I don’t remember.

I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply and they keep taking away the pain. It’s not like I can’t go a day without them. I’ve gone 4 years without them. I just discovered opiates several months ago and they’re amazing. Not only do they make me feel amazing and have great realizations. They’re just the perfect drug. I feel like a fucking god amongst men. And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. And if it gets out of hand, I’ll just sit through a week of withdrawals, then take a month off. And not to turn this into a thread about politics or any of that bullshit, but it’s ridiculous that I can’t purchase a drug that enhances the quality of my life, no matter the dangers. That’s my personal choice. I do understand where the doctors hesitating to prescribe them are coming from; my anger isn’t towards them, just the legal system here.

Anyways, I’ve got an appointment with a pain specialist in a few days. So… any advice on my original question: What to say to get as hard an opiate prescribed as possible?

[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
http://www.rsds.org/2/library/article_archive/pop/Fields_ScientificAmerican.pdf Very relevant to your case, anyways there are tons of articles and forum discussions on back pain, read up eric cressy articles and google back pain threads on tnation.[/quote]

Thank you. I’ll read it.

@thrall: That’s a hell of a drive, but yeah, it looks good. Just not practical for me right now.

I think I’m gonna order some opium poppies meanwhile.

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.

[quote]Artem wrote:

I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply and they keep taking away the pain. It’s not like I can’t go a day without them. I’ve gone 4 years without them. I just discovered opiates several months ago and they’re amazing. Not only do they make me feel amazing and have great realizations. They’re just the perfect drug. I feel like a fucking god amongst men. And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

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And there it is. You don’t simply want the drug to manage your pain. You also want to use it to get high. I’m glad the doctors won’t give it to you.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
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How is relief from chronic pain and a great, optimistic mood a bad thing? If it comes along with dependency, than fine. That’s my choice. Who are you people to tell me that that’s wrong? Seriously, quit being so self-righteous. I came here asking for advice on what to say to a doctor. I got 0 replies concerning that. I do thank the people who linked useful information; I will read it. I’ve done plenty of drugs and I know which ones make me act poorly. I obviously don’t plan on using those regularly. Opiates make my life better and who are any of you to tell me otherwise? I am aware that they are addictive. I’m not in denial here. I know the facts, accept them, and am asking for advice. If you can help me with what I asked for help with, then I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply and they keep taking away the pain. It’s not like I can’t go a day without them. I’ve gone 4 years without them. I just discovered opiates several months ago and they’re amazing. Not only do they make me feel amazing and have great realizations. They’re just the perfect drug. I feel like a fucking god amongst men. And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

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And there it is. You don’t simply want the drug to manage your pain. You also want to use it to get high. I’m glad the doctors won’t give it to you.[/quote]

Actually, I haven’t talked to one doctor about drugs, yet. I’m gathering information on the right things to say first.

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
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How is relief from chronic pain and a great, optimistic mood a bad thing? If it comes along with dependency, than fine. That’s my choice. Who are you people to tell me that that’s wrong? Seriously, quit being so self-righteous. I came here asking for advice on what to say to a doctor. I got 0 replies concerning that. I do thank the people who linked useful information; I will read it. I’ve done plenty of drugs and I know which ones make me act poorly. I obviously don’t plan on using those regularly. Opiates make my life better and who are any of you to tell me otherwise? I am aware that they are addictive. I’m not in denial here. I know the facts, accept them, and am asking for advice. If you can help me with what I asked for help with, then I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
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Bullshit. You asked a question and had people with personal experience and at least one doctor respond to you without telling you what you wanted to hear.

I am truly laughing at your “great optimistic mood” that you think awaits you while you ignore the changes to your own brain chemistry. Do you really grasp what that means?

No one is ignoring any pain you may feel. No one gives a shit about being your fucking “internet father”. This isn’t about “drugs are bad, mmmkay”, we are telling you the fucking truth. You can take it or leave it.

I wouldn’t even have a patient on Tylenol III long term without ever reaching a diagnosis.

Why wouldn’t you be more concerned with finding the cause?

I doubt you will find a doctor who will do what you want…but then, there is always Mexico.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]Artem wrote:
I know that they’re addictive and I wouldn’t even mind dependence, as long as I have a steady supply And I can do everything on opiates; nobody can tell you’re on drugs. I feel optimistic, motivated, and more social. I might just look a bit tired. Then, in addition to all of the amazing mental effects, I can go about my day with no pain. It’s fucking amazing.

So, yeah, they’re addictive. But I’d rather be addicted and enjoying life more. [/quote]

Dude…I’ve heard enough. This is total and complete bullshit now. This drug CHANGES WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU THINK. It only takes like 3 days for me to start acting extremely wierd on it. If this is your attitude, to me it sounds more like you want it because you think you think and act better on it rather than just a pain remedy.

This shit will destroy you, your motivation, your social abilites, liver, training and more.
[/quote]
How is relief from chronic pain and a great, optimistic mood a bad thing? If it comes along with dependency, than fine. That’s my choice. Who are you people to tell me that that’s wrong? Seriously, quit being so self-righteous. I came here asking for advice on what to say to a doctor. I got 0 replies concerning that. I do thank the people who linked useful information; I will read it. I’ve done plenty of drugs and I know which ones make me act poorly. I obviously don’t plan on using those regularly. Opiates make my life better and who are any of you to tell me otherwise? I am aware that they are addictive. I’m not in denial here. I know the facts, accept them, and am asking for advice. If you can help me with what I asked for help with, then I’d appreciate it. Otherwise, I don’t need internet father figures telling me drugs are bad.
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Bullshit. You asked a question and had people with personal experience and at least one doctor respond to you without telling you what you wanted to hear.

I am truly laughing at your “great optimistic mood” that you think awaits you while you ignore the changes to your own brain chemistry. Do you really grasp what that means?

No one is ignoring any pain you may feel. No one gives a shit about being your fucking “internet father”. This isn’t about “drugs are bad, mmmkay”, we are telling you the fucking truth. You can take it or leave it.

I wouldn’t even have a patient on Tylenol III long term without ever reaching a diagnosis.

Why wouldn’t you be more concerned with finding the cause?

I doubt you will find a doctor who will do what you want…but then, there is always Mexico.[/quote]
Costa Rica, actually. I’m stocked for a little bit. Anyways, I never denied any of the facts and experience that you guys talked about. Why don’t you guys get that I understand and accept any consequences? It’s my choice to take whatever I want. It’d be great if I got some helpful replies.

And what kinds of diagnoses did people on T3s get? It’s acetaminophen and codeine, so liver damage of some sort? I don’t bother with T3s anymore, but it’s pretty easy to extract the opiate from a bunch of pills.