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I’m sure a deeper Trump exists. Just imagine what he’ll be like if he wins his 2nd term and has to care even less about public opinion.


…or advisors…or members of his Administration…or experts in fields he knows nothing about…

It’s a scary thought, @pfury.


So basically he was bragging that he’s a bad businessman?

“I paid an aging porn star over 150k… And boy she’s ugly”


Also “I slept with a horse face and then paid her 150,000” doesn’t exactly qualify as a brag.


Vile and Vulgar? According to who?

This is purely subjective. History should be about facts, not feelings.



Is it not factually correct that Trump says a number of things society believes is vile and vulgar?


How am I suppose to answer such a poorly worded question? Do you just believe that people who dislike trump constitute all of “society?”

What about everyone that disagrees with you? They just don’t matter?

Orange man bad, right?

Edit: Its factually correct that “some people” in our society believe that what he says is vile and vulgar.


Plenty of people who support Trump find him vile and vulgar and freely admit supporting him in spite of this. He’s already written his history on Twitter, and we’ve all heard the Access Hollywood Tape. Even if you, somehow, ignore everything he’s said/typed, he’s a serial adulterer who bangs porn stars (then pays them $150K and calls them horse-face, which sounds like he didn’t make a great deal) while his pregnant wife is at home, who defrauds thousands of “students” and pays millions in restitution while being inaugurated, who made his name berating people on a reality tv show. He gave Howard Stern permission to call his daughter “a piece of ass”, and you can listen to that too. History may remember Trump’s economic legacy positively, and perhaps even his presidency as a whole, but his character is already on display for us and all those who come after us to see. He’s vile and vulgar as fuck. But there are still reasons to support him.


I still think that’s subjective.

However, I do agree that some of the things he has said are not in line with our past presidents. I love every word of it. I would never classify what he has said “as president” to be vulgar or vile in any sense. Sure he has said some raunchy things before he was president, who hasn’t?

I don’t think any president has every encountered this type of hatred from the media and elsewhere, so his retaliations seems to match the same vitriol and hatred spewed at him. I’m all for it.

But its not “factual” to say that all of society thinks Trump is vile or vulgar, its just incorrect.


It’s factual to say all the adults in the room find him vulgar, vile and vacuous.


Decent humans. You being serious with this? Try acting like he does at your job and let me know your results. Now keep in mind he’s supposed to represent us as a country.

But you can’t be serious. What would he have to say for you to be like “yeah I don’t want my kid acting like this?”

  1. You can hate Obama, and there are plenty of reasons to do so, but you must not have watched Fox for the past 8 years preceding this administration. Obama could have broken Twitter by responding to the things that were said about him.

  2. Are we in kindergarten? The president needs to retaliate for every slight against him? You know he claims to be a Christian, right?


" There are more than 2 genders" “I love communism” “Open borders!” Any of these would qualify.

Nothing matters to me besides results, I don’t care who he calls names, or what others constitute as vile. Does not affect me.

I never said that.

Being Christian means you cant say bad things to someone else? Please.

You may have your own definition of “Christian” but anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior is a Christian in my book. Don’t really care what they do with their off time. Everyone fucks up, doesn’t make them less of a Christian to me. Nobody is perfect.

I don’t think trump has any ill will towards anybody.


I’m also just stating my opinion. It wasn’t my intent to argue with anyone. It won’t change my mind anyway. I will concede though, that Trump is rough, very rough. And some of his behavior could be seen as “vile, or vulgar” I just don’t interpret it that way.

@flappinit @H_factor


Well then not much reason to have a debate. A lot of people used to think the President should speak in a dignified manner and treat others with respect. I don’t view him as doing that.


He should, and I agree with that mostly. But I’m not going to judge his job performance by his personal spats or personality flaws.


This is a horrible, reductionist view of Christianity, and if you’re right, you’ll be hanging out in heaven with child molesters who repented. What you do in your off time is WHAT DEFINES YOU as a person. Your qualifications for being a Christian are insulting to anyone who has devoted their life to their faith.

“You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.”

Who said that? Oh yeah, Jesus.

Honestly, it’s disgusting that you could say accepting Jesus as your savior allows you to do and say whatever you want for the duration of your life.


I didn’t say that , at all.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. I said they were a Christian. I didn’t say they were getting into heaven.

When did I say any of this?

All I said was, that to me, it doesn’t matter what you say to people (besides rape, murder, or pedophilia), a Christian is a Christian. Acting a certain way does not take that from them.

You may not like it, and that’s Ok.

I’m sure God will do the judging.


You’ve lead a virtuous life, you’ve been a loving father and husband, a kind neighbor, you’ve protected the weak and helped the poor.

It’s really a shame that you were born in Assam, India and haven’t decided to ignore your family and communal tradition to worship a specific group of stories banded together during the council of Nicaea as a political compromise followed by spectacular tantrums and fisfights.

No heaven for you! We need all the place in Heaven for drunk Irish assholes who technically haven’t killed anyone.


Being agnostic I’m certsinly not qualified nor care about the debate about who is a Christian. At the very least what you say to people should matter. I would think most people who say they are Christian would want to walk the walk.

But if I was a Christian I wouldn’t want Trump to be one of my tribe. What a poor example to be able to say “hey this fine gentlemen represents us Christians! We Christians love to talk about banging our daughters, sexually assaulting women, hating POW’s, and mocking the disabled. Join our team!”