You’re mixing and matching a whole slew of not necessarily connected things there buddy
The world has relied on grains since the advent of agriculture. Grains really are not killing us. Grains are also not particularly inflammatory unless you have an underlying grains specific tolerance issue or straight up have celiac disease (both of which are actually VERY rare relative to total population).
Let’s put it this way, what has the Chinese relied on since goodness knows how far back (we’re talking about the age of dynasties here at least)? Grains. What had the Romans relied on as they conquered? Grains. This whole anti-gluten/anti-grains movement is actually relatively new and has little to no real data to back it up. Going by the logic that grains are bad, China should not have such a dominant population in terms of numbers on this planet.
I do agree that GMOs should be labeled but they practically are labeled if you think about it, because it’s a huge bustling business these days for selling organic/raw/non-GMO foods. There’s a lot of monetary value in being able to label things gluten-free/grains-free/organic/raw/non-GMO/etc. these days. If you think about it logically, GMOs not being labeled is really a non-issue seeing how people are happily putting in effort to look for products specifically labeled as non-GMO and what not along with paying a good premium on such things.
I think it’s pretty clear going by your post there along with the popularity of gluten-free non-GMO etc. foods that there’s a complete lack of understanding what is actually good or bad. Such as your statement about grains killing people. It’s really not at all. There’s a lot more people with shellfish and nut allergies than there are with grains/gluten intolerance.[/quote]
Yes celiac is rare - about 1 in 100. But non-celiac gluten sensitivity is another thing all together. You are incorrect to say that “a lot more people with shellfish and nut allergies than there are with grains/gluten intolerance.” Web MD estimates it at 6 in 100. Shellfish is 2 in 100. Nut allergies about 1 in 100.
People choose not to eat healthy whole grains by in large. I didn’t mean to villainize all grains. To clarify, I definitely should have added the word “refined” when I said grains are killing people – The majority of calories consumed in America is from high GI refined grain (especially if you include corn syrup). It’s people’s indifference to making healthy decisions that is killing people - of which lack of exercise, overconsumption, and high GI, low nutrient foods are major factors. But just because whole grain can be part of a healthy diet, it would not be right to ignore the fact that refined grains are a big factor in many diseases.
When you make reference to the Chinese, you have no credible basis to justify any correlation between rice consumption and health, longevity, or population size. They are not one in the same. Their modern diet is not their traditional diet. Their previously healthy lifestyle was related to hard work and their connection with food. For instance they understood that soy should be fermented, tofu was rarely if ever eaten, and meat was eaten in small amounts or separately from rice. Also, ability to reproduce has more to do with freedom and resources like total size of geography, climate, soil fertility, farming methods, and technological know how.[/quote]
- I am Chinese, you’re obviously not and know nothing of the culture.
- Wheat noodles for one thing is the everyman food for sustenance in China since the 9th century or earlier.
- The northern and southern Chinese will either rely mainly on wheat or rice. Northerners mainly rely on wheat. Southerners mainly rely on rice. Why? Because in the north is where the wheat is grown and the south is where rice is grown. They have largely been an agricultural culture, you eat what you grow.
- You’re point about tofu being rarely eaten, that’s just laughable and clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the diets of the Chinese. HA HA HA.
- Meat was rarely eaten not because it was healthier, it was because it was more expensive. We’re talking about a very poor culture here, why do you think they relied so much on wheat in the north and rice in the south?
- I am actually talking about their traditional diet. There’s still a lack of a “modern” diet throughout China. The food there really has not changed in goodness knows how long. The fact that you think there’s some sort of special “modern” diet demonstrates how you are clueless on the matter.
- It’s laughable that you actually think that the Chinese takes the quality of food all that seriously. Quality is NOT and HAS NOT ever been of a concern for the majority of the population. In fact, it’s pretty much been a foreign concept there for goodness knows how long.
Ultimately, everything you’ve posted on this matter and come to think of it, your posts on nutrition in general, has been nothing more than buying into the whole paleo/bulletproof hype (it’s very clear why bulletproof is part of your username). Dave Asprey sure has you hook line and sinker there.
Lastly, please refrain from posting about an entire culture which is quite obviously completely foreign to you. The fact that you think there’s some sort of special “modern” diet in China is outright hilarious. You probably think there’s a huge trend for meat heavy foods or McDonald’s over there (meat is still expensive and still considered a luxury and you’re NOT going to find fast food outside of the cities in China, and there’s not that many cities in China, the whole country is pretty much rural with specks of cities here and there). Myself being Chinese, I’m actually quite offended how you are trying to explain to me and others how the Chinese culture is like even when it’s clear as day that you do not have an inkling of a clue of an idea as to how the culture is like or what their diets are like. For goodness sakes, you can hardly find a supermarket in most of China, you literally buy things from market vendors plain and simple. Farm to table.
See this right here: http://www.vegkitchen.com/recipes/seitan-anyone/
Know what that is? It’s literally wheat gluten. It’s just nuggets of wheat gluten. It’s a STAPLE in the Chinese diet and goes back to goodness knows how far back. THAT is one of the MAJOR things we consume regularly and it dates back MUCH farther than whatever your arbitrary made up “modern” Chinese diet goes. MOST of the time that gluten (and it’s literally nuggets of wheat gluten) is marinated in oil or we typically just fry the stuff (and guess what? TRADITIONALLY we REUSE our oil! Why? BECAUSE THAT IS THE PRACTICE OF A TRADITIONALLY POOR/IMPOVERISHED CULTURE). Also, keep in mind that most of our foods are going to be MSG heavy even without adding MSG to it, that’s just what happens when you ferment and age things. We also don’t ferment and age things because it’s healthier, it’s been the practice because we’ve been cooking and eating the same things long before there was a concept of refrigeration.[/quote]
- Most importantly, I apologize if you were offended by my statements.
- Second most important, my name HAS NOTHING to do with Dave Asprey. You say “it’s very clear why bulletproof is part of your username.” Wrong. I chose this name 2 years before that website was launched, so there. Look it up. Think you know me, do ya? I probably know a lot more about nutrition than you give me credit for because you made generalizations about me.
- I actually do know a good amount more about Chinese culture that the average non-Chinese person (although I am indeed white). I’m sorry about that last part. Clearly I don’t know as much as you about the subject.
- I’ve been to the Chinese countryside. In fact, I have family there.
- Nothing I said about soy was incorrect. All cultures which traditionally eat soy learned it should be processed to minimize phytates, etc. (Oh no, Whitey is talking about all soy eating cultures now!). This is a fact. I’m not simply speaking out of my white bulletproof ass here. I said they didn’t traditionally eat tofu - meaning they didn’t eat raw soybeans. I suppose “raw soy beans” would have been more appropriate. I can see how this subtle difference was easily misinterpreted. I was correct about limited meat consumption and I do know why, knowing how the economy (and political system) have changed in the past 20 years.
- Chinese do take food quality seriously. Freshness is very very important (as you are well aware). I’ll save from elaborating.
- Also, back to the point of this thread - China banned certain GMO corn from the US. Also they banned pigs raised with Ractopamine (which is/was nearly all US pigs).
- I understand the point that political and economic restraints didn’t allow for much consideration of quality/variety of food choices.