I’d take one that makes substantially more than I do in a heartbeat if I was single. I could stay home, and watch workout shows to stay pretty for her. Maybe start a nice garden, and even get a picket fence. She can come home sit on the couch, and I’ll bring her wine wearing only an apron. Some hyperbole here, but I wouldn’t mind that set up lol.
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Same dude. Same.
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I think I would like it a lot. Maybe if I ever find myself single, I’ll check out those cougar and cub sites. I think I’d make a great cub.
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I’m still working on cultivating my wife’s career. She has the waaaaaaay higher ceiling, yet oddly way less hours and more flexibility. My job is just a hedge in my mind haha. Probly gonna end up hedging till retirement. Damnit.
Masculine women repel masculine men. It upsets nature’s balancing act. Weak men will simp for them and the masculine women will hate them for it and never self reflect as to why they repulse men
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This is what some people think but have wrong. Most men do not care if people accomplish more than them. What is sometimes said is, “What, are ya scared of a strong and intelligent woman?!” The answer for us is that we’re not scared. It could be some of us don’t want a higher earning woman for practical reason or simply preference.
You often reach extreme or unrelated conclusions (eg, someone having a gripe with female voting patterns thinking they’re subhuman) or stuff people weren’t even thinking of.
You like research. Ever read that when women are promoted to CEO, their chance of divorcing their husbands increases? That’s not the man feeling inferior and divorcing him. It’s her losing respect for him and leaving him. Do you think perhaps some men are aware of such things regarding super careerist women, plus other things regarding child raising, the home, etc?
Many women despise provisioning for men, and earning more than them triggers this same negative feeling.
As in the dating thread, I don’t tell other men what to do. If they want to date careerist women and that works for them and kids, they can do it. If they want to eternally “date” women, go ahead. If they want to date or marry a woman with 50 sex partners go ahead. Some of us know or knew of what can happen with those setups, including how it will affect kids.
See here. Some men don’t want to deal with this.
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Powerful women don’t stay home with children. They take maternity leave for three months and go back to 60-hour work weeks.
Why do many women despise providing for men? That’s kinda messed up if most women feel that way. It’s messed up cause it makes no sense. If some women today want to be seen as equals to a man then why can’t they respect a man in a “feminine” gender role. Why do they want a man to be more uhh “masculine” or better/have more power than them?
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I’m going to completely disagree with most your points ins. We could have a back and forth and not find any common ground, and you’ve wrote a lot. I also understand that different countries have different pay structures, working practices etc. Here’s my basic points:
I’d rather find someone to grow with. Everything changes in this universe, and as I change I’d rather grow with someone. My wife has been the most influential person in my adult life. Learnt a huge amount from her. We met at work and her ability astonished me. She’s an amazing mother and a senior leader at work (we don’t work together anymore).
Not all countries have the problem with doctors getting paid little, in the UK they do pretty well, and it’s socialised medicine. Also, not all countries have the same work life balance. I know many senior staff who achieve a good work life balance. It’s incredibly beneficial to provide ways of working and benefits that support staff in returning from maternity or paternity leave. You can split it anyway you want here.
Experiential education (learning from doing) is on the rise in the UK. Some Primary schools pride themselves on outdoor learning. I also know many excellent female outdoor instructors and athletes. So, I don’t believe that one way is better for men and another for women. There might be some research that gives a generalized view of education methods and gender but I think it’s early days for schools moving away from ‘chalk and talk’.
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Likely because biological wiring is extremely difficult to change no matter how much “progress is made”.
I do not think it’s messed up. It is women thinking like women.
Even women who are high-earning look at men who
make more as providers even though they too are earning a living.
The fix: stay within one’s class.
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The reasons in that article where not what you presented. It seems that the older men with traditional family structure ideas had the issue. Or that’s what the article put forward.
You’re right. That particular article mentioned divorce that occurs because of friction. However I’ve come across other content in which the female left because of something else. And my hunch is that even some of the friction is created by a different view of the husband after getting the CEO position.
Just my two cents, but I wouldn’t mind being able to have deep/serious conversations about things like politics with my girlfriend/wife if we’re going to be raising children together. I think most parents probably, either consciously or subconsciously, raise their children with the same values and beliefs as themselves, and would probably like to know how each other feel about serious topics such as those so that they can feel confident that they are raising children with someone who will teach them the things that they agree with.
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There’s a difference between having an issue with voting patterns and stating “women shouldn’t have been given the right to vote”
How can you reasonably justify the latter? That’s half the population… I apologise if I’ve come across as disingenuous, as this was not my intention
Then the father stays home.
Will provide a more in depth response later 
There’s always the option not to get married or have kids
I think the posters are discussing a home relationship.
Not all women are suited to be good wives and mothers and right now, they have the privilege not to do so
BUT… if she so chooses, I think @ins and @BrickHead make good points
Although, I’d like to thjnk that intelligent men would get bored by a woman who can’t communicate on his level about deep issues
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Would they even respect her?
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What’s even more sad is… Not all women/men can afford to raise a family adequately anymore 
In Aus where the average house price is 1 mil and rent is absurdly expensive… Let alone school fees, food, transport, medical expenses and more it’s difficult to have a child below the age of thirty.
Still going to post detailed response as specified above.
Short on time at the moment.
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In this in the big cities or all over? What’s the average income over there?
A professor made a point to my class once, not to discredit the idea that it’s expensive to raise children, but just to point out the other side of things, that our “expectations” are higher now. (This is for America, I don’t know how Australia measures up.) The sizes of our families are getting smaller and smaller, but the average square footage in houses is getting bigger and bigger. We’re requiring more space for less people. This guy said he grew up with no AC, one bathroom, and a one stall garage. Now it’s hard to imagine living without AC, without multiple bathrooms, and without huge garages to store your two cars, snow blower, gym equipment, tool and work area, etc. (Not that everyone, particularly people in tight cities like NYC, have two or three stall garages, but it’s not that uncommon in many areas of the country.)
Just sort of like…maybe if we required less it’d be easier to raise children. When my kid was born, my grandma pointed out a few times that 90% of the products you see for sale for newborns and new parents these day didn’t exist when she raised five kids. But we think we “need” them.
I love modern luxuries. I love having AC. Random devices I’ve bought and new technologies that have been invented have made my life very easy and I enjoy having them. But it’s interesting to think about how much of our stress, particularly about finances, is caused by our own expectations.
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In a city like Sydney a house is going to cost more than 1 mil. 1 mil might get you a small to medium sized apartment in a housing complex.
Rurally a small house might only set you back 3-500K. But living rurally in Aus isn’t fun, you’ll be in the middle of nowhere, poor access to healthcare facilities, dangerous wildlife, near inhabitable climate etc.
Avg income is 55K for a guy. Average rent in the city is around 5-600$/wk for an apartment. University accommodation (tiny dorm slightly bigger than an office cubicle… No joke) was 300$/wk, not accounting for food, gas, clothing etc. At the time I was living paycheck to paycheck, AND I had my rent subsidised thanks to amazing parents.
They should have frozen rent during the lockdowns… It was very hard for people to pay when acquiring work was nearly impossible…
Housing prices have been increasing by around 1.5k/wk consistently for a long time, wages/average income aren’t increasing nearly fast enough to close that gap.
My generation, and future generations aren’t going to EVER be able to buy property if things keep up this way. I predict the housing market will eventually collapse when no one can afford to purchase property and/or people can’t even afford to pay the interest on the massive loans they’ll need to take out to buy property.
It’d be great if absurd prices were confined to the city, but living in the suburbs isn’t much better… As a matter of fact various high income suburbs are arguably even more expensive.
The only place I know with a higher cost of living is NYC. When you buy a house in the US for 500k you’ve probably got a big house
Buy a house for 1 mil in Aus and chances are it’s a house the average US citizen would call “small”.
750K will get you this house 16 kilometres away from the city. It’s not a bad house… But there’s not a chance in hell I’d pay 750k for that.
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