Yes. "bulk" is wrong word. Sorry for miselading. I think I typed more quickly than I was thinking. Sorry. :-}
This all started with a question on gastric bypass and whether you can still be (or presumably become) obese after one. I certainly believe you can. I was trying to make an argument that the alternative to bypass is very real and achieveable for everyone. I am going to try that again, as it's just too important for anyone overweight reading this thread. Hopefully, I'll make my point correctly this time. Please bear with me...
My belief and experience in a non-professional manner is that even an obese person loses a helluva lot of fat, and gains muscle when they eat healthy food EVEN IF they eat a lot of health food.
Many obese people that have tried to lose weight go on starvation type diets, most of which can't last 24 hours. They usually don't change their food, they merely try to eat less. 2 cans of coke and a small pizza instead of 6 cans and a large pizza; they don't understand why this can never work (this used to be me, but I was only "overweight", not "obese").
So they often feel that a bypass is the only way it can ever work. Frankly, if eating coke and doughnuts is an objetive, they are quite possibly right: I don't think even a bypass can offset humungous amounts of crap food. What many overweight people don't realise is that they don't have to "diet" (= starve yourself) to lose weight.
I think we fully agree that an obese person would lose weight (mostly fat) by switching from a dreadful junk to a healthy-eating diet and exercising. My belief is that they would achieve that goal to a similar extent even if they consumed a simlar number of calories as when they ate junk food.
In reality, trying to eat, say, 7,000 calories or more of healthy food in a day is a challenge that many can't achieve' yet we could all eat that in crap (have a bloomin onion "appetizer" at Texas Roadhouse). Psychologically, if an obese person believes they don't have to starve themselves to lose weight, then any diet becomes at least possible for them; and gastric bypass can hopefully be avoided.
That's the point I was trying to make. I'm sorry for using the wrong words and causing confusion.
This next part is for anyone who is quite overweight or obese who's looking for an achievable way-out that does not involve a bypass:
Firstly, I promise you there's a really better alternative to bypass surgery. But I know what you're thinking: I have to starve myself again. Not true; honest. Try this:-
Spend 3 weeks retraining your food-likes (eat lean meats, veggies and all the stuff shown in nutrition articles herein; drink water, tea or any other sugar-free beverages). During this period, don't even think about "starving" yourself as you may have done before on your pizza and coke diet. Focus on retraining your food-likes. Eat when you wake up and not more than three hours later. Never let yourself get hungry. Do not count calories. Doing this alone will yield positive results in terms of weight-loss (sleep quality and other things also improve too, for most).
Once you've formed a new habit for healthier food (and seeing results), you'll be ready to take on the next steps, which include exercising. You can achieve phenomenal results doing this and you will never have to starve yourself again. I swear it's achievable. Try it for three weeks and then tell me that bypass surgery is still your only hope.
Thanks and apologies for any misnuderstandings from my earlier postings. I now cross my fingers and hope I haven't done it again.
Feel free to "PM" me if you want to discuss this more. I'm a former fat-bastard who used to starve himself and do all kinds of stupid dietary things before I found out the right way to live. The funny thing is, the solutions is not only doable, it's also FREE, courtesy of T-Nation.com.