[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
[quote]Twolverine wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
You are definitely entitled to your decisions. However, your understanding of all this is flawed.
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You will be suppressed no matter what you use. Shutdown is dependent on length of time on and on different compounds, much less on dosage.
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Maintenance of testicular size and function does not indicate you are not shut down because you are forgetting that LH is produced in the pituitary. Use of HCG (which only MIMICS LH) will indirectly shut down your pituitary through the negative feedback loop. This is why you need clomid or nolva for PCT.
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Anything worth using (causing you to exceed your natural test range) will suppress you to a large degree. Otherwise, you might as well use OTC products like DAA which will bring you to the upper range of natural test levels if you want a slight boost in performance.
Simply put, your cycle is not worth your time. There are other alternatives which will give you the same results which do not require you to suppress or shutdown your natural test production and having to PCT.[/quote]
thank you for the very informative response which i was looking for and made true sense. i just want you to confirm the foll;
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shutdown occurs to duration rather than qtties. but same applies for recovery? i guess 300 test / week won’t need the same amount of time and pct for recovery as 1000 / week
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yes hcg will shut me down due to the negative loop but wont it aid in recovery due to (mimicking lh) during the cycle? it would also serve its purpose to recover my suppressed tests from suppressing substances. thats the reason why i keep bringing up hcg in case i want to subs test
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dose does not have a direct relationship with HPTA suppression… however, time on does appear to have that effect.
there are tons of studies that show 50% suppression in 1-2 weeks on mild doses (20 mg/day) of stuff like anavar and winstrol.
if you add in any androgen (test, deca, primo, etc), then your body will produce less testosterone in order to maintain homeostasis. if you’re gonna be suppressed, then the key is to take enough of an androgen to make worthwhile gains…
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Perfect
one more thing
why do many users claim that gains from larger doses of primo although are slower, tend to stay longer than test or other aas. do you agree?[/quote]
less water retention on cycle, most likely. lots of guys mistake that for gains on cycle…
to be honest, i don’t know anybody that uses Primo except for female athletes. it’s just too expensive for most guys i know for such modest gains…