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Frontload - Did I Do it Right?


#1

Hey guys I am running 400mgs of test E a week. I did a frontload For my first shot. I did 550mg (on monday). My plan is for my next shot to be 200mg, is this correct or should I up the dose on the second shot?


#2

Front load means taking a higher doses at the beginning of a cycle. I don’t think it necessitates lowering the following dose.

Either way you don’t front load test enanthate, it takes weeks to kick in regardless, you front-load with something faster acting, and some don’t recommend it at all in favor of upping doses toward the end of cycle to combat myostatin expression.


#3

usually its the 1st weeks dose plus the 1st days dose.

so if 400/w is your cycle and you are pinning twice a week then you should have pinned 600mg on first day.


#4

When i frontloaded, I did 1500mg Test E Wk 1 (750mg tue/750mg fri) , then continued with 750mg/week dose for a few months. Worked a treat.


#5

Michael Mooney’s site references a study that shows the half-life of test ent is 5 days, not 10. food for thought…


#6

[quote]ty_ty13 wrote:
usually its the 1st weeks dose plus the 1st days dose.

so if 400/w is your cycle and you are pinning twice a week then you should have pinned 600mg on first day.[/quote]

^This.


#7

You frontload the amount that is on average taken in one half-life of the drug, plus the injection amount that will ordinarily be used.

If you’re taking 600 mg of test e a week in one injection, then your first shot should be (600 x 5/7) = 429 plus 600, or 1 gram. The following week, you inject 600mg.

The purpose is to quickly get levels to the same value that they would otherwise stabilize at.

(explanation courtesy of B. Roberts)


#8

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:
You frontload the amount that is on average taken in one half-life of the drug, plus the injection amount that will ordinarily be used.

If you’re taking 600 mg of test e a week in one injection, then your first shot should be (600 x 5/7) = 429 plus 600, or 1 gram. The following week, you inject 600mg.

The purpose is to quickly get levels to the same value that they would otherwise stabilize at.

(explanation courtesy of B. Roberts)[/quote]

shouldnt it be 429 plus the 1st pin amount?


#9

maybe its better not t froload but to up the dose mid-end cycle when u need more aas t make gains coz of myostatin…


#10

[quote]amateur666 wrote:
maybe its better not t froload but to up the dose mid-end cycle when u need more aas t make gains coz of myostatin…[/quote]

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

If I’m following you, you’re saying that during a typical cycle (which is what we’re talking about here), myostatin increases so fast, or to so high a level that gains from AAS are no longer possible. Actually, those aren’t your words, but you brought up myostatin so I filled in the blanks.

Any references to support this?


#11

yes 8 weeks myostatin peaks

http://www.afboard.com/library/Measurement%20of%20myostatin%20concentrations%20in%20human%20serum%20Circulating%20concentrations%20in%20young%20and%20older%20men%20and%20effects%20of%20testosterone%20administration.pdf