[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
IN my experience, women don’t make great long-term, deep friends because (gets out my broad brush) they do not value loyalty as highly as men do.
Number 1 quality I want in a guy friend is someone who is loyal, who I can trust. When was the last time you heard a woman describe her close friends as loyal. Maybe “strong” or “amazing”, but loyal just doesn’t seem as important to them.
Perfect distillation of what I was driving at. I didn’t use the word, but I described the virtue in my earlier post.
One of the defining moments in my friendship with my best friend came when I stayed by his side when he was falsely accused of a crime. This was high school and he was a star pitcher for our state championship baseball team, and was actually being watched by scouts, so this was a very big deal. Our ENTIRE circle of friends as well as his teachers and coaches completely abandoned him immediately. Only I and one other friend believed him and stuck with him. A few days later, the accuser’s story unraveled, all charges were dropped, and there was a lot of egg on a lot of faces. It was a really edifying experience for all of us, as we recognized that the “popular” status we’d so cherished and actually even strove for was just an illusion. It was extremely liberating, actually, as none of us really gave much of damn about popularity after that, but ended up gaining more of it. He decided he wanted nothing to do with that team or any sport thereafter, though he received some pretty serious apologies and was begged to return. It really changed our perspectives about what is important in life.
Anyway, I’m way off on a tangent here, but I think that stories such as these are illustrative of the kinds of values and moments that are important to men, generally.
On another note, I thought this thread would be a little more contentious. It’s not as much fun when everyone agrees. (`_^)