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Free T Higher Than Total T? Normal SHBG? Estrogen:Free T?

#1

My labwork last year has shown that my total t on the day of my shot was 650.
I dont remember my free t. But as much as i know it was somewhere in the middle range.
What does that mean that my free t on the day of my shot was way higher like my Total T?

Also a question about sbgh. I did not test sbgh.
With the levels I have does that mean my sbgh is in normal range?

And the last question. How high your estrogen gets depends on how high your free t is right?

I am on 125 mg now and a couple hours after my shot I get that moon-faced look.
Does that mean my sbgh is low or high.

I know I have to do a new lab work but these were some questions that came to my mind.

Thnx in forward

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#2

No, that would literally be impossible.

Again, no. our E2 is related to much you aromatise and what level your body naturally inclines to have it at.

Okay, you already said “Last question”. What’s this doing here then? Joking. The “moon-faced” look is E2 bloat, you are retaining water. It has nothing to do with your SHBG.

#3

If my Free T was midrange, I would most certainly have symptoms of low testosterone. Dr. Abraham Morgentaler a leading expert in the field of TRT from Harvard is stating men with Free T at or below 15 pg/mL (6.8-21.5 pg/mL) will likely benefit from TRT.

Notice how 15 pg/mL is above midrange, 18 pg/mL would be considered high normal. Really the optimal ranges is 20-26 pg/mL the range for men in their 20’s which everyone should be aiming.

Dr. Saya is seeing men optimal in these ranges, all biomarkers improve at these numbers in over 10,000 patients. The standards new to be higher so doctors stop telling 20-30 year olds are normal at the ranges of old men.

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#4

Don’t forget my levels where midrange but these numbers where my through numbers.

Is there any way to find out if one has high sbgh or not? My labwork is in 3 weeks. Just wanted to know if there are any symptoms that show high or low sbgh

#5

Nope.

#6

Ok thnx.
But should the free t through level be over midrange? Lot of people told me 650 total T through level is good! So I am little confused now

#7

Free T is measured in in a different format. Your Total T is okay, not fantastic but not terrible. Free T is the T that is not bound to SHBG. Your free T is the portion floating around or bound to Albumin. High free T would indicate low SHBG depending on Total T. In your case the indication would be low SHBG if the free T is high and the Total T is upper mid-range.

#8

Find out what your free testosterone was. That will give you a rough idea as to where your SHBG is. If your free test is higher and you are feeling good, it’s a good bet SHBG is on the lower end.

#9

You need to keep levels elevated rather than allowing levels to decline, this is usually when men start to experience symptoms and end up here.

#10

I would agree there are no symptoms of low SHBG, rather the absence of positive symptoms would be a better indicator.

#11

I will open a new thread since the last one was very confusing.

This is my lab test the day before my next shot( Day 7). I am on 125 mg test weekly.
I can not do it twice because in Germany we only have the 250 mg testosterone.

Total Test (ECLIA) — 6.66 µg
Free Test( RIA). ---- 18,1 Ng/l
E2 was under reference 1mg week EOD.

Are those levels good for the day before of the shot? Or should they be higher?
Peak free test must be higher right?
And what does that say about my sbgh?

I will do another lab work in 3 weeks to see where my levels are with only 1/4 arimidex.

To be honest before that I was on 200 mg test and I felt so much better. But I hate it to take arimidex for the rest of my life. Isn’t it dangerous??

What do you think what level is good?
Should I change to 150 mg after my next lab work? On 125 mg my libido is better but the overall feeling is better on 200 mg.
But on 200 my pulse is way faster. But that is because E2 right?

To make it clear. I want to be in a healthy upper range and with 125 mg my peak must be in the upper range right?

#12

You just need to break up your shots multiple times per week, injecting smaller doses should lower estrogen and you may not need an AI or could possibly get away with taking less.

When I was on TRT I felt best on 10mg daily, no estrogen sides like I had injecting less frequently.

#13

No too much stress. I can live with 2 times a week but every day is a pain in the ass mate.

Guys please answer my questions.
What is my level and free T saying about my sbgh?

Is my level good for the day before the next shot?

Free test is 18.1 is this good? And what could it be on peak?
Is that on the higher healthy range or normal? Because that’s not why I am doing trt.

Should I take a higher dosage?

What about fast pulse on 200 mg. Is there anything I can do? My pulse is 80 on 200 mg. On 125 around 70. I am talking about resting pulse.

Would love to hear some opinions. Thnx

#15

I can’t tell much of anything without lab ranges, different countries use multiple different reference ranges and there are no standards. Then you have different population groups scoring lower or high T numbers.

Your pulse could be many factors, usually pulse increases when you change something about your protocol and will adapt once your body is used to those changes unless a hormone is in excess or low.

Hormones is a complicated business and requires a doctor who is good at problem solving, it’s why so many doctors fixate on lab ranges.

#16

What? What has that got to do with anything? They only sell 250 mg where I am too, that has nothing to do with my being able to adjust dose.

That is about a million times too much arimidex. Stop taking it altogether for now. Take zero of it. As in none. You crashed your E2 and crashed it hard.

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#17

I figured he was refusing to inject more frequently, because if he were to inject half of what he injects now, that would be 250Ă·2 =125mg. Go a step further 250Ă·4 =62.5mg.

I have both 100mg and 200mg vials and have to be mindful which vial I’m drawing.

#18

Reference in Germany is; 3,5 - 12,5 ng/ml

#19

Mate 1 mg arimidex for the hole week
1/4 EOD

#20

I’m on .7 of 250mg/2mL twice a week, puts me at roughly 183 mg a week.It doesn’t work out evenly to the amp, so I prefill a bunch at once. Just because the bottle has 250 mg in it, doesn’t mean he actually has to take all 250. I thought Germans were good at engineering and precision…
I think you’re right about the frequency, he certainly seems to want to avoid more shots. Must be using the sharpened cannon barrel that came in the box.

#22

If 1 Arimidex/week crashed your E2 like that, you need to stop taking it altogether. It is causing you bigger problems than low Test.