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For the Vets Out There: Advice for Cruising?


#1

I have been putting some serious thought into cruises, has anyone tried cruising on low dose test and say EQ or Deca Npp, tren. Thoughts and comments welcome this is a hypothetical question.

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#2

all of these are do-able. I would put tren at the bottom of the list, and probably deca at the top. 200 deca and 200 test, or something along those lines, is pretty effective. I’ve got a friend who has both prescribed at those doses.


#3

@flipcollar those were the doses I was thinking. I also really want to try 200mgs test cyp with 2 to 400 EQ.

What Do you think about orals on a cruise, I know a couple of guys who run them at lower doses over say 8 weeks. 1 of them has been on dbol for almost 2years with 150 test with out elevated enzyme levels


#4

if you can get away with it and have clean bloodwork, sure. I just bought a shit ton of dbol, and plan to run it at 50mg per day indefinitely.


#5

It is important to have T at the foundation. T cyp/eth/prop deliver bio-identical T after the ester groups are removed. A deca only cycle could be a disaster.

Cruising needs to take advantage of all of the concerns of TRT. I am providing standard info below.

You need to be checking E2 and dosing anastrozole to get near E2=22pg/ml. If you keep changing your cruise cocktail and doses, that will get screwed up. You may survive short term adverse E2 issues on time limited cycles, but problems in cruising will affect quality of life, energy, mood, fat patterns and libido.

You need to make explicit decisions on what to do about preservation of testes and fertility. 250iu hCG SC EOD works very well.

Do see last paragraph below. Your thyroid function controls your energy levels and thus fat patterns, mood, libido and energy. It is very easy to check this your self with waking body temperatures AND mid-afternoon temperatures. If you have not been using iodized salt, FIX THAT.

With TRT guys, most who land in the T-replacement forum have thyroid/iodine issues. So this is quite common. Fortunately, in many cases, problems can be resolve with changes of iodine intake. If is also important to point out that guys on good TRT really do not do well if their thyroid function is low.

Please read the stickies found here: About the T Replacement Category

  • advice for new guys
  • things that damage your hormones
  • protocol for injections
  • finding a TRT doc

Evaluate your overall thyroid function by checking oral body temperatures as per the thyroid basics sticky. Thyroid hormone fT3 is what gets the job done and it regulates mitochondrial activity, the source of ATP which is the universal currency of cellular energy. This is part of the body’s temperature control loop. This can get messed up if you are iodine deficient. In many countries, you need to be using iodized salt. Other countries add iodine to dairy or bread.


#6

Well this would all have to go into consideration so you think a true 200mg without the ester and then maybe watching corresponding values for relative change. By keeping th doses locked in wouldn’t it be easier to gauge? I was thinking about npp and test. npp around 100mg per week with around 200mg of test. As @flipcollar said about dbol, would it maybe be better to run a injectable version?


#7

if the concern is liver, then again, I would let bloodwork dictate that decision. The injectable version really isn’t much different from the oral in those terms, particularly at a low dose. If the oral version raises your liver enzymes out of range, I would just drop the dbol completely rather than trying to switch to injectable.


#8

I was just thinking that since it has been metabolized by some degree before it’s first pass through the liver


#9

ksman, other than iodized salt, what other ways of iodine supplementation do you suggest?


#10

Life extensions has a Sea Kelp supp that provides 1000mcg or 1mg of iodine.