For All You AI Preachers

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:37am

@physioLojik dr cristler passed suddenly. This is Insane. He just dropped ai

charlie12:

Our own daddy of 3 @physioLojik was already on top of this.

Dr John cristler started a thread on EM very recently and he’s still posting.

He States he dropped ai last month and feels better then B4. He will soon share what he felt during the transition.

Wow how things change. He also stated:

My strategy is now to work with my patients to drop their estrogen control, when possible. As an Osteopathic physician, less drugs is better.

On a side note he also mentioned Dr Shippen will be presenting about estrogen control and some breaking news on HCG use. He did not state what it will be.

See below from em
The legendary Dr. Eugene Shippen–whom I am proud to say I got, from my position on the Planning Committee at AMMG, an invitation to speak at the Spring national conference–is going to be going into great depth on using low dose AI’s in male TRT patients. To my mind, he possesses the finest mind to ever practice this area of medicine. I learned about using AI’s from him, and have gotten such good results with them over the years. But I do think it’s time for change.

Dr. Shippen is also going to share some amazing things he has figured out about HCG. Wait until everyone hears what he told me a couple months ago.
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He also mentioned that he will be getting back to prescribing scrotal testosterone.

alldayeveryday · January 17, 2019, 2:41am

Dr Crisler passing is very sad news. I learned so much in the beginning of my trt protocol from his YouTube videos. I hope someone can step up to the plate and fill this void we are left with. God speed to you Dr.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:42am

Scary cause he was on trt and so are we.

I wish I knew details abs his protocol, supps

physioLojik · January 17, 2019, 2:43am

@charlie12 @alldayeveryday yes
I hesrd. Not sure what the COD was as I haven’t looked into it. Fucking with your Lipids isn’t a good idea that’s for sure.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:44am

Let’s us know if you find out…God rest his soul

unreal24278 · January 17, 2019, 2:46am

Wow, I totally missed this. May he rest in peace. My condolences go out to his friends and family.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:46am

BTW the think wrong with my lipid is elevated triglycerides and vldl. Statin or something else?

Cholesterol is fine. Just did CT cardiac 0 score. No plaque at all. @physioLojik

alldayeveryday · January 17, 2019, 2:46am

I’ve seen that he had a heart attack 12 months ago. Probably a genetic predisposition to heart disease. Dont freak out because he was on trt and so are you. Trt dont kill people. Plaque in arteries kills people.

physioLojik · January 17, 2019, 2:46am

@charlie12 get off the damn statin. We need to talk.

physioLojik · January 17, 2019, 2:47am

@alldayeveryday absolutely correct.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:47am

Am not in statin. Asking if I should do. Cardiologist said it’s no statin at this point after CT scan and carotid scan.

physioLojik · January 17, 2019, 2:48am

@charlie12 zero chance you should be on a statin. I’d need to see your diet.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 2:49am

I have NAFLD. I gather that’s why

roscoe88 · January 17, 2019, 11:14am

I found this article informative.

charlie12 · January 17, 2019, 11:35am

Nice article. From article:
Here are the optimal blood levels of testosterone, estradiol and other relevant markers men should strive for:

Total Testosterone: 700-900 ng/dL

Free Testosterone: 20-25 pg/mL

Estradiol: 20-30 pg/mL

PSA: Under 2.5 (the lower the better)

Red Blood Cells: Within normal reference ranges

Liver enzymes: Within normal reference ranges

I do not like that the article suggest 1mg a week AI to bring estradiol normal when it is high. I have yet to read someone on trt taking that much.
BTW here a chart I’ve posted before. Low estradiol much worse than higher. As confirmed in this article.

roscoe88 · January 17, 2019, 12:03pm

It’s a nice article.

It’s just one opinion on what is optimal. I’m one to think letting estrogen run wild isn’t good.

highpull · January 17, 2019, 12:40pm

Roscoe, what is “wild”?

roscoe88 · January 17, 2019, 12:50pm

Unfettered. Unchecked. Not addressed.

unreal24278 · January 17, 2019, 12:55pm

When one has symptoms of high E in many cases the issue can be resolved without resorting to polypharmacy. Weight loss in obese individuals or focusing on improving hepatic function can eliminate problems with estrogen in general. For the small minority who still experience issues a LOW dose of an AI could be imlimented. The problem with AI use long term really stems from their extreme effect on the lipid profile when used in conjunction with, or even solo androgens (however AI+ androgen = far worse negative effect on cholesterol as has been documented, estrogen is very important for cholesterol management and metabolism hence non aromatising androgens tend to have a far more pronounced negative impact on the lipid profile compared to aromatising AAS.

roscoe88 · January 17, 2019, 12:56pm

Hence just lowering dose.

Good post unreal