[quote]Chushin wrote:
lixy wrote:
P.S: For the record,
“Let there be no compulsion in the religion: Clearly, the Right Path (i.e. Islam) is distinct from the crooked path.” – Quran 2:256
Which is supplemented by this?
Quran 9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
So, I can’t be “compelled” to be a Muslim, but will then be forced to pay extortion money and “feel subdued?” [/quote]
If you lived on Islamic land, yes.
And how is it “extortion money”? A state needs money to run. Muslims paid the zakat as per the Fourth Pillar. Others usually paid protection money. Believe it or not, that was 1400 years ago. If you’re know of a current system where people are treated equally, let me know.
Freedom of religion is a recent concept. The concept is pervading majority-Muslim countries slowly, and vilifying the religion itself will only create a knee-jerk, rally-around-The-Book reaction (which we are witnessing).
Many things. You do like Islamists do, by missing the forest for the tree when it comes to the Quran. And you can’t distinguish between political, cultural and religious aspects. The other side is guilty of that as well. Instead of accepting advice and wisdom, all they see are colonizers who, up until recently, justified horrors under the guise of some mission civilatrice.
This needs its own thread. So, for the last time, I invite you to gather your thoughts together and post them.
Well, you repeatedly pop up on threads where Muslims are depicted as savages, acquiescing whatever PRCalDude, Sifu or Gkhan are saying. You quote them for truth, as kids would say these days. And when directly asked about your positions, you cultivate ambiguity.
You may not have “any freaking agenda”, but it sure seems that way.
[quote]If you could convince me that there is some “peaceful co-existence” interpretation of all this crap, I’d be happy!
I don’t want to have to believe that Islam is this ugly. But so far you’re losing the hearts and mind battle… [/quote]
With people who will “believe that Islam is this ugly” until proven otherwise, it was lost from day one.
I personally think it’s going to get worse. The Muslim is the new Jew.