[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As to cluster bombs even someone like yourself, head firmly buried in the sand, realizes the US doesn’t use them against civilian targets.
Try and keep up. The link is dated in 2004.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-13.htm
More importantly, the US was cheering up as Israelis dropped cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon last year.[/quote]
The same as the Palestineans cheering on 9/11?
[quote]hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As to cluster bombs even someone like yourself, head firmly buried in the sand, realizes the US doesn’t use them against civilian targets.
Try and keep up. The link is dated in 2004.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-13.htm
More importantly, the US was cheering up as Israelis dropped cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon last year.
Silly even by your low standards.
The rag you linked to was an editorialized version of a news story that was devoid of fact. Common in the ME as you are well aware.
Curiosuly where were the pictures of Americans cheering. Your still a fool.
[/quote]
So maybe they do not cheer.
Mostly they do not know and they do not care.
And yet they finance the giant war machine that lays waste to other peoples countries.
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As to cluster bombs even someone like yourself, head firmly buried in the sand, realizes the US doesn’t use them against civilian targets.
Try and keep up. The link is dated in 2004.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-13.htm
More importantly, the US was cheering up as Israelis dropped cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon last year.
Silly even by your low standards.
The rag you linked to was an editorialized version of a news story that was devoid of fact. Common in the ME as you are well aware.
Curiosuly where were the pictures of Americans cheering. Your still a fool.
So maybe they do not cheer.
Mostly they do not know and they do not care.
And yet they finance the giant war machine that lays waste to other peoples countries.
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
[/quote]
Want to make the residents of NYC a target again? I suspect that is how you feel. Go right ahead. Don’t be suprised at what happens next.
I know it is difficult for you but the response was the US doesn’t use cluster bombs on civilians and doesn’t support the use of landmines that are persistent. Your la la response is amusing but not to the point.
The rag that your buddy linked to was a deflection. You bought it but you are gullible. Most see thru things like that.
By the way how is the Styer production run going on the 800 50 cal. sniper rifles you sold to Iran?
[quote]hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As to cluster bombs even someone like yourself, head firmly buried in the sand, realizes the US doesn’t use them against civilian targets.
Try and keep up. The link is dated in 2004.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-13.htm
More importantly, the US was cheering up as Israelis dropped cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon last year.
Silly even by your low standards.
The rag you linked to was an editorialized version of a news story that was devoid of fact. Common in the ME as you are well aware.
Curiosuly where were the pictures of Americans cheering. Your still a fool.
So maybe they do not cheer.
Mostly they do not know and they do not care.
And yet they finance the giant war machine that lays waste to other peoples countries.
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
Want to make the residents of NYC a target again? I suspect that is how you feel. Go right ahead. Don’t be suprised at what happens next.
I know it is difficult for you but the response was the US doesn’t use cluster bombs on civilians and doesn’t support the use of landmines that are persistent. Your la la response is amusing but not to the point.
The rag that your buddy linked to was a deflection. You bought it but you are gullible. Most see thru things like that.
By the way how is the Styer production run going on the 800 50 cal. sniper rifles you sold to Iran?
[/quote]
First, those weapons never were in Iraq.
The 200000 weapons your army “lost”, plus the Iraq army stockpiles you failed to secure provided all the weapons the insurgents will ever need.
800 rifles?
Please…
Then, those Palestinians may dance in the streets, but yet they cannot finance terror in any significant way because they are dirt poor.
Maybe, just maybe, they blow themselves up occasionnaly…
Yet, on the other hand we have the people of the US that may not dance in the streets and yet pay for the measures that killed around 500000 Iraqui children, in part by destroying all sanitary installations and blocked the import of water purification devices and chemicals.
Would you rather have a child die because of a bomb or slowly because of poisonded water?
Now tell me, what do we do with people who finance such atrocities casually, without even noticing it and having no bigger sorrows than who will win American Idol?
Are they legitimate targets, if we apply the standard the US applies to the world?
Am I anti-American for asking such a question?
Is Lixy when he challenges the nation that American lives are worth more than Arabs lives, at a ratio of about 1:3000?
By the way, around 1 000 000 dead equals around one 9-11.
Every day.
For about 10 years.
[quote]pookie wrote:
They lost what, a battle? A city, for a while…?
There’s a problem with seeing these conflicts in terms of win/lose. Al Qaeda, or other terror organizations don’t have a central HQ that can capitulate and make sure all its “troops” cease fighting. Even if you could magically make AQ disappear from the face of the Earth today, a few malcontents could reform it tomorrow.
The Taliban in Afghanistan are a good example. They lay low for a couple of years before starting to come back in ever more savage attacks. They can afford to wait, to bide their time. Hell, they live there. Unless they lose popular support and get rooted out by the locals, they can never really “lose,” only be kept in check for a while.
So, as AQ really been beaten in Iraq, or are there simply aware the reinforcements will become unsustainable for the US in April '08? That’s just a few months away. Why escalate conflict with a much better armed force now, when you can instead keep the chaos at a low sizzle until about 30,000 of the US troops go home?
If the US seems to be making good progress, you might have to escalate against the larger force, but right now, the political aspect of what could eventually become a working solution is in shambles. An Iraq without a working central government is just teetering on the verge of chaos, there’s very little to do to push it there.
[/quote]
I somewhat agree with the general thesis of what pookie just said. The fact is, as long as there are people there are going to be terrorists. But I don’t see anything wrong with fighting them anyways, whether it’s sending Zarqawi to his grave, or even when we get as lucky as this:
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21958597-401,00.html
Let’s hope the surge can keep this coming. And finally passing that oil agreement among the sectarian groups, that would be nice too.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
About the mines and cluster bombs. Don’t terrorists use car bombs?
You know something is seriously fscked up when you start setting you standards based on those of terrorists.[/quote]
Hey, you brought up land mines and cluster bombs. I brought up car bombs. I didn’t say it to base standardson it, I merely stated a fact.
[quote]orion wrote:
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
[/quote]
Thanks for driving home Bin Laden’s reasoning for targeting civilians. Would it be fair to have you or your family killed for paying your taxes? What would you have us do? Not pay?
[quote]orion wrote:
Then, those Palestinians may dance in the streets, but yet they cannot finance terror in any significant way because they are dirt poor.
[/quote]
They are kept poor because their fellow Muslims in neighboring countries would rather give them weapons instead of food and shelter. They do not need money to finance terror because the oil rich countries like Iran and Iraq (under Saddam) paid for their weapons, training and kept the whole mess perpetuating because it’s good business.
Even Lixy agreed with this in one of his posts. Whether he still does today, in this thread is another thing.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
They do not need money to finance terror because the oil rich countries like Iran and Iraq (under Saddam) paid for their weapons, training and kept the whole mess perpetuating because it’s good business. [/quote]
Funny how you overlooked Saudi Arabia…
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
Thanks for driving home Bin Laden’s reasoning for targeting civilians. Would it be fair to have you or your family killed for paying your taxes? What would you have us do? Not pay?
[/quote]
�?f course this is part of the terrorists reasoning.
What I am asking is if the reasoning is that far off if we apply American standards to America.
Is it?
To your second point, if you are helpless to stop your government, what should the Iraquis have done?
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
About the mines and cluster bombs. Don’t terrorists use car bombs?
You know something is seriously fscked up when you start setting you standards based on those of terrorists.
More ant-American rhetoric from our foreign “friend”.
We get it you hate our country, it might be time to shut the fuck up.
We get it that you have nothing significant to say.
Take your own advice.
Fuck you Whorian…You’ve had years on this board and you still have said nothing of relevance.
[/quote]
Relevant and “understood by Mick28” is not necssarily the same.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Orion and lixy a couple of douche bags posting on an American message board about how baaaaad America is.
When we really know what your problem is…
One word: JEALOUS
:)[/quote]
We hate you for your freedom.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Orion and lixy a couple of douche bags posting on an American message board about how baaaaad America is.
When we really know what your problem is…
One word: JEALOUS
We hate you for your freedom.
The Austrian government is nothing to look up to. Even though it plays an overpowering role in the lives of its citizens. Maybe if it had any world significance we would all be talking about it.
Yea…you’re jealous…[/quote]
what am I jealous of?
[quote]orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
About the mines and cluster bombs. Don’t terrorists use car bombs?
You know something is seriously fscked up when you start setting you standards based on those of terrorists.
More ant-American rhetoric from our foreign “friend”.
We get it you hate our country, it might be time to shut the fuck up.
We get it that you have nothing significant to say.
Take your own advice.
Fuck you Whorian…You’ve had years on this board and you still have said nothing of relevance.
Relevant and “understood by Mick28” is not necssarily the same.
[/quote]
You are hardly one to point out lack of understanding or relevance. Relevance to a socialist in Europe is of zero relevance to anyone else in the world.
You need to get a life.
[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
As to cluster bombs even someone like yourself, head firmly buried in the sand, realizes the US doesn’t use them against civilian targets.
Try and keep up. The link is dated in 2004.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0415-13.htm
More importantly, the US was cheering up as Israelis dropped cluster bombs on civilians in Lebanon last year.
Silly even by your low standards.
The rag you linked to was an editorialized version of a news story that was devoid of fact. Common in the ME as you are well aware.
Curiosuly where were the pictures of Americans cheering. Your still a fool.
So maybe they do not cheer.
Mostly they do not know and they do not care.
And yet they finance the giant war machine that lays waste to other peoples countries.
If it is fair to go after the sponsors of terrorists to cut of their funding, are American civilians also fair game?
What if those American civilians sit in the symbolical if not actual heart of the financial community that finances said war machine, are they legitimate targets?
Want to make the residents of NYC a target again? I suspect that is how you feel. Go right ahead. Don’t be suprised at what happens next.
I know it is difficult for you but the response was the US doesn’t use cluster bombs on civilians and doesn’t support the use of landmines that are persistent. Your la la response is amusing but not to the point.
The rag that your buddy linked to was a deflection. You bought it but you are gullible. Most see thru things like that.
By the way how is the Styer production run going on the 800 50 cal. sniper rifles you sold to Iran?
First, those weapons never were in Iraq.
The 200000 weapons your army “lost”, plus the Iraq army stockpiles you failed to secure provided all the weapons the insurgents will ever need.
800 rifles?
Please…
Then, those Palestinians may dance in the streets, but yet they cannot finance terror in any significant way because they are dirt poor.
Maybe, just maybe, they blow themselves up occasionnaly…
Yet, on the other hand we have the people of the US that may not dance in the streets and yet pay for the measures that killed around 500000 Iraqui children, in part by destroying all sanitary installations and blocked the import of water purification devices and chemicals.
Would you rather have a child die because of a bomb or slowly because of poisonded water?
Now tell me, what do we do with people who finance such atrocities casually, without even noticing it and having no bigger sorrows than who will win American Idol?
Are they legitimate targets, if we apply the standard the US applies to the world?
Am I anti-American for asking such a question?
Is Lixy when he challenges the nation that American lives are worth more than Arabs lives, at a ratio of about 1:3000?
By the way, around 1 000 000 dead equals around one 9-11.
Every day.
For about 10 years.
[/quote]
Blah Blah Blah. More of the same from the multicultural first. always and forever crowd.
Don’t want to get your ass kicked. Stop fucking with the Great Satan. If the radical Islamists learn that one lesson then it is worth it. And stop with the made up numbers. The Lancet study is nothing more then wishy washy propaganda that anyone with half a brain, and a basic understanding of statistics, saw right thru.
So how many innocents have the Iranians killed with your sniper rifles moral relativist?
[quote]orion wrote:
what am I jealous of?[/quote]
Isn’t it obvious? You - along with everybody else that criticizes US foreign policy - are jealous of the superior cars Americans drive, their huge wangs, and their extremely bright president.
Also, you hate their freedoms. Who are you to tell them that are not free to bomb and kill whomever they chose to? You terrorist sympathizer, you…