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Fitna: The Movie

This is a link to the movie, “Fitna” put out by Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, in spite of the usual threats, rioting, and spinelessness of the original hosting company Network Solutions. Enjoy!

Mentioned this in the other thread in regards to Fitna, I don’t know if the muslims in that movie are the exception or the norm nowdays, but something has to be done as it seems to be spreading rather quickly and becoming more and more violent. 9/11 still makes me teary-eyed, and pissed that SOME people believe that those actions are for a good cause.

WOW. That was intense. Is any of this for real?

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
WOW. That was intense. Is any of this for real?[/quote]

For the most part, it presented the views of the Palestinians, the Al-Sauds and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

The guy is very clever and I concede him that. The movie is a propaganda masterpiece. It won’t change a thing in the Netherlands because the Dutch people heard it all before, but it is certain to format impressionable brains elsewhere. Which, I suppose, fits nicely within Wilders’ agenda.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
WOW. That was intense. Is any of this for real?[/quote]

Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Muslims, of course not. You’ll just get taqiyya and kitman from them. If you believe what you see with your lying eyes, yes.

[quote]lixy wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
WOW. That was intense. Is any of this for real?

For the most part, it presented the views of the Palestinians, the Al-Sauds and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

The guy is very clever and I concede him that. The movie is a propaganda masterpiece. It won’t change a thing in the Netherlands because the Dutch people heard it all before, but it is certain to format impressionable brains elsewhere. Which, I suppose, fits nicely within Wilders’ agenda.[/quote]

So the taqiyya begins…

The views of the Palestinian? You mean the poor innocent ones?

Weren’t there tons of European Muslims in this film?

And Iranians?, Hezbollah?, Somalians?

Reaction of the Dutch Prime Minister:

“The film equates Islam with violence. We reject this interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence. In fact, the victims are often also Muslims… …We therefore regret that Mr Wilders has released this film. We believe it serves no purpose other than to cause offence.”

So, it seems the hosting company was right in taking the site down as it violates the law on two counts:

  • The portrait presented as Mohammed Bouyeri (Van Gogh’s assassin) is actually that of a rapper that goes by the name of Salahedin. The guy is understandably very pissed.

  • Kurt Westergaard, the guy behind the bomb-turban cartoon was not asked for permission for the use of his work. He stated on Dutch TV that he has already initiated legal actions for copyright infringement, and insisted that he would not have approved of the use of his drawing in Wilders’ movie. He said that the cartoon was meant to criticize Islamist terrorists and not the religion of Islam.

[quote]lixy wrote:
So, it seems the hosting company was right in taking the site down as it violates the law on two counts:

  • The portrait presented as Mohammed Bouyeri (Van Gogh’s assassin) is actually that of a rapper that goes by the name of Salahedin. The guy is understandably very pissed.

  • Kurt Westergaard, the guy behind the bomb-turban cartoon was not asked for permission for the use of his work. He stated on Dutch TV that he has already initiated legal actions for copyright infringement, and insisted that he would not have approved of the use of his drawing in Wilders’ movie. He said that the cartoon was meant to criticize Islamist terrorists and not the religion of Islam.[/quote]

It’s too late for all that. It’s on download sites everywhere, including my own site. It’s already all over the place.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Reaction of the Dutch Prime Minister:

“The film equates Islam with violence. We reject this interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence. In fact, the victims are often also Muslims… …We therefore regret that Mr Wilders has released this film. We believe it serves no purpose other than to cause offence.”[/quote]

Yeah, the elites will keep reacting like that for awhile, until a few more famous infidels get killed according to the surahs in the movie. The Muslims will keep up their terrorism until they provoke a big reaction. Then all bets are off. Things were this way before WWII as well. Look how that ended.

Wow, I watched that movie, and it’s really having affected me.

So there is a longer full version.

[quote]lixy wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
WOW. That was intense. Is any of this for real?

For the most part, it presented the views of the Palestinians, the Al-Sauds and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood.

The guy is very clever and I concede him that. The movie is a propaganda masterpiece. It won’t change a thing in the Netherlands because the Dutch people heard it all before, but it is certain to format impressionable brains elsewhere. Which, I suppose, fits nicely within Wilders’ agenda.[/quote]

If it is a religion of peace and tolerance, then Geet Wilders does not need bodyguards. According to this article below, it does not appear that the Dutch needed this film to frame their views on this issue.

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/270308_1.htm

Most of the video on the movie, from what I have seen, has probably already been on news stations and the internet.

All this guy did was tie in Koran quotes to justify all the violence.

It’s funny that Iran came out and denounced the film. I saw some Iranian leaders in it. Did they say these things or didn’t they.

If the didn’t they should sue.

If the did, they should shut the hell up.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Most of the video on the movie, from what I have seen, has probably already been on news stations and the internet.

All this guy did was tie in Koran quotes to justify all the violence.

It’s funny that Iran came out and denounced the film. I saw some Iranian leaders in it. Did they say these things or didn’t they.

If the didn’t they should sue.

If the did, they should shut the hell up.[/quote]

They don’t have a case to sue. It is not the words of the Iranian leaders they denounced, but the use of out-of-context Quranic verses in juxtaposition to violent crimes.

Clear?

In other news, it took less than 24hrs for LiveLeak to take down the video. The OP’s link is therefore useless.

[quote]lixy wrote:
In other news, it took less than 24hrs for LiveLeak to take down the video. The OP’s link is therefore useless.[/quote]

I wonder why…

Edit: As of this moment, you can still watch the video on the link I have posted.

[quote]dk44 wrote:
lixy wrote:
In other news, it took less than 24hrs for LiveLeak to take down the video. The OP’s link is therefore useless.

I wonder why… [/quote]

I’m not really sure. They sounded quite serious about defending freedom of speech at the beginning. Really didn’t expect them to be intimidated. I mean, from their previous announcements, they sure were expecting to be threatened and were more than ready to deal with it.

As much as I’d like to give the LiveLeak crew the benefit of the doubt, the words PR stunt keep popping in my head.

[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
lixy wrote:
In other news, it took less than 24hrs for LiveLeak to take down the video. The OP’s link is therefore useless.

I wonder why…

I’m not really sure. They sounded quite serious about defending freedom of speech at the beginning. Really didn’t expect them to be intimidated. I mean, from their previous announcements, they sure were expecting to be threatened and were more than ready to deal with it.

As much as I’d like to give the LiveLeak crew the benefit of the doubt, the words PR stunt keep popping in my head.[/quote]

As much as I’d like to give muslims the benefit of the doubt, the words PR stunt keep popping in my head.

The Fitna farce

[i]I just watched Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders’ film, Fitna, The Movie. He had promised it would be too shocking, too frightening, too disturbing - and much of the world was holding its breath in a morbid, anxious wait for its release. The media feared rabid violence by those Muslims.

My initial reaction is a yawn. I blame production. The soundtrack is Tchaikovsky’s mellow classical piece called “Arab Dance”. Quick tip to future demagogues: when trying to incite riots, try not to use musical pieces that are based on Georgian lullabies. Quick tip to future Islamophobes: when trying to demonise Islam, try not to use elements of western culture that are inspired by Arabs and Muslims as that reveals that Muslims have contributed positively to the world.

Anyone who has seen terrorist propaganda films is familiar with most of the scenes and most of the disgusting conflations of the Quran with acts of violence, murder, kidnapping and antisemitism. Such behaviour has been condemned resoundingly among Muslims. Those that use the Quran for illegitimate and criminal ends should be punished by the fullest extent of the law.

What I’m really wondering: is Wilders protesting against Islam or the monopoly extremists already have over grainy, low-budget, YouTube videos? The only difference I see is that Wilders plays the best of western classical music - an insult to the legacy of Grieg and Tchaikovsky - rather than death chants. I guess the thing he can be credited with is upping the sound quality. Also the transubstantiation of “Fitna” into “Fin” at the end was pretty cool.

The rest of the film is a mixture of conflating the most painful and heart-wrenching images from terror-strikes with extremist imams, in an effort to turn the entirety of Islam into a demonic edifice. This is neither new, nor interesting. It is a facile trick for facile minds. Cartoons show more a more subtle grasp of the human condition. Focusing more specifically, the film appears to be nothing more than a screed by a nativist. Anti-immigrant demagogues exist in every society, from Arab to American. Their sole job is to belittle and antagonise the mostly poor immigrants and stultify and romanticise their country’s own history.

One of the things the film did was to try and link some verses from the Quran to acts of violence. Most people familiar with the Quran, including Christian polemicists I’ve debated, accept that you can have the Quran say pretty much whatever you want. For example, there is among Muslims a pretty hefty industry of “scientists” who are constantly “proving” that various Quranic verses predicted the marvels of modern science. I once saw a presentation by one of these guys. It was, in a way, very similar to what Wilders has done. First there would be a slide with a Quranic verse. Then there would be a bunch of images of some modern scientific marvel. Apparently, everything from the space-time continuum, modern meteorology and congenital biology are supported by verses from the Quran. Like I said, when put into the hands of fanatics and fools, the Quran - like any book of religious scripture - can say anything. If suicide bombers wanted, they could even go into the Old Testament, cite to Sampson, and justify their heinous acts.

What the film really shows to me is that Wilders doesn’t know the difference between Islam and Islamism - and when it comes to the latter he is completely lost. This is his major attack against Islamism? He reminds me of those socially-awkward, marginalised, introverted children in a schoolyard whose solution to persecution at the hands of a bully is to write the bully’s name in his notebook and then rip up the page.

If Wilders really wanted to expose Islamism - the entire legacy of 20th century ideological Islam - he would start with how the French Suez Canal Company funded the Muslim Brotherhood’s first mosque. That fact is casually mentioned in Hasan al-Banna’s autobiography (which I am certain Wilders never bothered to consult). Or Wilders would have tried to begin some criminal proceeding in the international criminal courts against those men who came up with the genius idea of encouraging disaffected Arab youth into going into Afghanistan and then gave them $1 billion in machine guns, bombs and stinger missiles to play with. Or Wilders could have expressed some outrage over the drafters of the new Iraqi constitution - drafted in consultation with western lawyers - which makes sharia the law of the land (a fact bemoaned by Iraqi feminists, among others). Had he bothered to show some serious thinking he would have even found support among the millions of Muslims around the world who oppose Islamists.

But Wilders isn’t actually serious about challenging Islamism. He is concerned only about multiplying the number of times his name is pinged on Google. Couldn’t he have taken solace in the fact that his name is pinged more than mine?

I can’t be sure how the Islamist demagogues will spin this film. Presumably some of them will consider this a kind of frontal assault against their idiocy - idiots recognise one another - and begin agitations which the media will be only too happy to cover. However, the fact is that a majority of Muslims are going to react to this film with the same kind of casual shrug of the shoulders that it deserves. If there are Muslims who wish to protest - and I really don’t see why it’s even necessary - my advice for them is to emulate Hossein Nouri. He is the paraplegic painter who, during the Danish cartoon fiasco, painted a portrait of the Virgin Mary in front of the Danish embassy. Here is a picture of his marvellous work.

There is also the fact that the Dutch government has completely disavowed itself of the film, something the Danish government didn’t do with the Muhammad cartoons. Ayaan Hirsi Ali had already dulled the film’s value when she said that all it was meant to do was provoke. Also, Wilders has been accused of thieving by the cartoonish Kurt Westergaard who said he did not authorise the use of his images in the film.

Finally, the image Wilders used to depict Theo Van Gogh’s killer is actually Moroccan rapper Salah El Din and not the killer, Mohammed Bouyeri. The only thing the two men have in common is that they are bald and bearded.

In terms of sheer originality, though, the best response to this film came from a friend of mine who watched the film - and calling it a film is to abuse both the English language and the legacy of cinema - on my computer with me:

“I could have masturbated in that time.”[/i]

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ali_eteraz/2008/03/the_fitna_farce.html