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First Time User Cycle



This will be my very first time using gear for weight lifting. I'm open to ideas and opinions of vets using gear out there. Hope I don't get flamed. Lol.


Age: 25
Been lifting for 5-6 years. The first 3-4 years are on and off. 1-2 years of consistent training
Ht: 5'10"
Wt: 180 lbs - (started lifting from 135-140 lbs at the age of 19)
Race: Asian
BF: 15-16 % estimate
Diet: Clean to Moderate diet per week. Around 1-2 cheat days every 2-3 weeks.

Bench: 240 lbs x 1
DLift: 340 lbs x 1
Squat: 260 lbs x 1
OHP: 175 lbs x 1

Workout routine: I workout weekdays, including saturday if ever I missed a day of routine.

Goals: Break plats, keep the gains, look awesome.

Stacking plans

Week 1 = DBOL 40 mg/d : Test En 500 mg/w (pin will be on Mon and Thur)
Week 2 = DBOL 30 mg/d : Test En 500 mg/w
Week 3 = DBOL 20 mg/d : Test En 500 mg/w
Week 4 = DBOL 20 mg/d : Test En 500 mg/w
Week 5 = Winstrol 100 mg/d (Sun,Weds,Fri) : Test En 250 mg/w (Mon and Thur)
Week 6 = Winstrol 75 mg/d (Su,W,F) : Test En 250 mg/w
Week 7 = Winstrol 50 mg/d (Su,W,F) : Test En 100 mg/w
Week 8 = Test En 50 mg/w

Week 1-8 = Arimidex 0.5 mg/d
Week 4-8 = HCG 250iu x 2 every week (Tue and Sat)
Week 9 = Nolva 40mg/d
Week 10 = Nolva 30mg/d
Week 11 = Nolva 20mg/d
Week 12 = Novla 10mg/d (if necessary)

Reference for cycle is the post from FuriousGeorge Newbie Cycle

Let me hear your opinions.

Edited: HCG Cycle


uhhh, so you plan to run test for 4 weeks, and then randomly add it in at week 8 again at 50mg? What's the point in tapering dbol? please tell me i'm reading all that wrong. Your pct is screwed up pretty bad, do some more research on that. HCG during cycle only. What's your diet look like?

If I could rate this on a scale of 1 to 10 i'd honestly give you a 2. Everything is pretty fucked up, it doesn't seem like you've done any research, plus youre asian, aren't you guys smart or something? (joking)


your cycle is weird


Week 5 = Winstrol 100 mg/d (Sun,Weds,Fri) : Test En 250 mg/w (Mon and Thur)
Week 6 = Winstrol 75 mg/d (Su,W,F) : Test En 250 mg/w
Week 7 = Winstrol 50 mg/d (Su,W,F) : Test En 100 mg/w
Week 8 = Test En 50 mg/w

Basically, I'm tapering some TestE from week 5-8. Instead of constant 500mg/w (250 mg pin on different days), im lowering the dose when PCT is close..

Week 5-6 = Test En 250 mg/w (125mg on Mon and another one on Thurs = 250mg)
Week 7 = Test En 100 mg/w (50mg on Mon and 50mg on Thurs = 100mg)
Week 8 = Test en 50mg/w (25mg on Mon and 25mg on Thurs = 50mg)


The standard beginners Test or Test/Dbol cycle plus an extra few hundred calories daily will get you nice gains. Dont try to invent the perfect cycle before youve even tried gear. Lots of other guys have done the homework for you. Take their advice, have an AI on hand and youre good to go.


Appreciate it..


Yeah man no need to over complicate this cause honestly how you have it laid out is making my head hurt.


Im asian - likes complicated.. Lols..

Let me redo the cycle plan when I get home.. Hope you guys put your opinion on a more simple cycle.. :slight_smile:


If you're looking for a simple cycle like people said test/dbol will do you nicely.

Wk1-12 Test E 500mg/week (Mon/thur)
Wk 1-4 Dbol 40mg/day
PCT- Nolva 40/40/20/20

Simple as that brother will get you nice gains.


throw in some hcg as well for a smoother recovery, DURING CYCLE, I REPEAT, DURING CYCLE


and adex 0.5mg eod


Will 0.5mg adex from week 1-12 enough for PCT ? Or should I still incorporate Nolva after the cycle ?


Adex- a.i.

Know the difference


Pct stands for Post Cycle Therapy, "post" meaning after the cycle... weeks 1-12 is not post cycle....


Whatever cycle you end up running I hope you plan on doing a log because I have very similar measurements from a size and strength standpoint and would be curious on your results.


Hello !

i'm starting my first cycle:

week 1-4 Dbol 30mg/ed first 1-5day 10mg.
week 1-12 test enanthe 400mg/e4d
week 14-18 nolva first day 80mg then 40mg two weeks and the two weeks 20mg.

what you are thinking about should i use AI and Hcg ?

sorry for bad english...:smiley:


Yes for sure. I will re-do my cycle plan in a couple of days. Still waiting for the goods to arrive..