Looking for an opinion on a first ever cycle option. I’m 30 years old and have been lifting for the last 10 years, with a few breaks in between. Currently have been lifting serious for 2 years at least continuously. Sleep schedule is on point, training program is on point, nutrition & supplementation are on point.
I’m currently on TRT protocol of 80mg Test Cyp/week & 500iu of HCG bi-weekly. I was looking at either just increasing my test to 500mg/week for 12-16 weeks and then returning to my 80mg/week. Or I was looking at keeping my test at 80mg/week and adding a second component. I have mostly been considering Primobolan 600mg/week for 12-16 weeks with the TRT dose or 30mg of Anavar for 6 weeks with the TRT dose.
Any opinions on this would be great. Also recommendations of Arimdex dose for all 3 of these potential cycles.
Estrogen has protective effects while androgens have neurotoxic, immune system suppresive etc. effects so if you’re using non aromitizating androgens while having barely some aromitization,there will be long term issues. I suggest upping test as well
Both are good options depending on your goals.
Test 500mg/wk is a great first cycle if you’re trying to pack on mass.
I personally love running your second option, TRT test + 600mg/wk Primo. Dry, lean, steady gains. You won’t gain as much as 500mg/wk of test, but the Primo is generally healthier, easier to handle sides, you can run it longer and don’t have to juggle estrogen management. Just make sure your Primo is real, it’s often faked.
Anavar you can run for the entire cycle at 30mg/wk, that’s a relatively low dose and pretty safe.
You won’t need Arimidex on the Primo cycle. I can’t tell you how much you’ll need on 500mg/wk of Test, everyone’s different. Good rule of thumb is don’t use it unless you have side effects and know you need it.
In vastly supra physiologic dosages. Within a replacement setting androgens appear to elicit cardioprotective, potentially neuroprotective mechanisms etc
I mean we are talking about cycling so yes he’s going to be using suprapyshiological dosages that’s why I’m saying what I’m saying
the Primobolan and Anavar do not covert to estrogen so your safe there, however as we all know testosterone at high dosages and in some cases low doses convert to estrogen.
If you stay at the TRT dose, a aromatase inhibitor will most likely not be needed. If you do decide to raise the testosterone to 500mg I highly recommend using an aromatase inhibitor.
Id start at a dosage of 0.25mg of arimidex EOD and if you notice estrogen side effects bump up the dose to 0.5mg EOD. Main side of high estrogen people tend to notice straight away is loss of sex drive, Test should increase your sex drive so if you notice it going down, that’s a sign that your estrogen is to high and thats where you up the dose as i stated. You could potentially notice gyno before that side but either way up the dose if any estrogen sides are apparent.
Also be careful with Anavar make sure you have a solid supplier because its one of the most faked steroids people tend to sell, it can be either under-dosed or not even the drug itself.
Hope this helps!
That’s a very low TRT-dose. I’ve never heard of anyone having symptom resolution with only 80 mg/week. But good for you if you feel great. 2 mg of testosterone per kg of body weight is more reasonable especially if you want to keep as much muscle as possible after cycling. If I were you I would up the TRT dose to that amount permanently, and then add 400-600 mg primo for your first cycle. Actually, that’s what I’m doing right now - with an added 20 mg of anavar daily as well. When my 12 week cycle is up I’ll just return to my 2 mg/kg TRT dose.
If your testosterone rises so will estrogen. That’s how it’s supposed to work. Your body attempts to maintain a ratio of the two.
There’s plenty people here that don’t use AI’s on 500mg/week. There’s also some who used to but as more info came to light no longer use them. Using an AI without reason is not great advice. Much of what you stated on the subject is incorrect.