^^150 huh, honestly im beginning to steer that way myself, i was thinking around that dose of test alongside 500-750iu of hcg. Id rather not say goodbye to my testes just yet. Is 150 enough to keep from losing the gains you acquire or is it the short span of 6-8 weeks that helps with that? Btw WW glad to see you back, I thought all the wisdom left.
Any how OP, I feel like the question of when you are ready is more of a mental/moral issue than an age issue and since I remember your name from a prior post which I believe had to do with prohormones I think you are already there. (TBH your face looks familiar to me, but even if you did go to UH it shouldn’t be familiar, because it shouldnt be posted talking about drugs). When people say that you should wait because your hormones are already at their peak, it doesn’t mean much if your ‘peak’ happens to be the nut low. So really its the willingness to throw yourself into something that will:
A) Potentially damage yourself
B) Potentially get your arrested
C) Cost you alot of money
D) Definitely shorten your life span
BTW the assessment that you will be on some dose for life is probably accurate. If not by virtue of the need for TRT, it will be by the need to continue progress considering you will achieve ZERO lasting gains beyond your first circle or two.
That being said definitely use HCG, you wont regret it although you wont realize it until you do a cycle without it. You are right that it can lead to a decreased sensitivity to the LH hormone it mimics, but that is more the result of high high doses used erroneously during pct (think several thousand per week) rather than small doses over the long term. Not much fear of too much considering the exogenous test drops your natural LH production, which is why your nuts shrink to begin with. LH production by the HPTA will be dampened slightly (nothing comes free) but PCT should help that, notably clomid.
12.5 mg E3D of aromasin is too little. Standard dose is 25mg/day (12.5 2x/day) and if you have any tendency toward gyno you should start there. Since you dont know if you have any tendency toward gyno, start there anyway and adjust. Dry achy joints and low libido → too little estrogen, low libido and excess water retention–> too much.
As for how extreme your first cycle should be, I did test/tren my first go and I lived to talk about it so go nuts. I actually wasnt all that impressed with Dbol, but what the hell take it anyway. You might gain more weight if you take it at the end rather than the beginning, but since I only really noticed strength on it, you can take it at the front at least it will give you something to play with until the test starts working its magic.
Well Fuck don’t scare him to much with the shortened life span thing. I sure as shit hope that doesn’t happen for me lol. I bet most people on here that tell people to wait were not at there maximum potential naturally and were not at least 30.
That being said I like your other advice and willingness to help a fellow newbie on his journey, it is admirable and we appreciate it.
Go ahead and flame the people with no research running a billion grams of tren deca and test with no ai or pct I will be right behind you. op seems knowledgeable though. Got a question for you CMI. I started hcg at week 1 and plan on running it throughout
until week 13 of a 12 week cycle. I have saw conflicting research on how long to run it for? I am running 250IU 2x week. So a moderate dose and balls are working fine 5 weeks in. I don’t want to desensitize though at extended periods and was thinking of upping the dosage the last two weeks to 500iu 2x a week. DO you see any problems with this or is this a good plan?