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First Test Cycle with Taper - Opinions


#1

I have 7500 mg. of Testosterone E that I am looking to use over the next couple of months. I have spent countless hours researching this cycle.

My main predicament is choosing a proper dose. I had originally planned to do 250mg every 3rd day. That works out to ~583 mg per week. I was going to run that 8 or 9 weeks with a front-load. I would then wait one week before starting my stasis.

Then I was going to do a 6 week stasis at 100mg per week. Then taper for 6 weeks at 80,60,50,40,30,20. I bought some slin pins so I could measure that out properly. Question: Do you guys shoot with the slin pin or just backload into a regular pin? I am worried these super low doses will be lost in the big pin?

I will be running .25 mg anastrazole every day, or if I have no sides .125 per day. I will taper off this toward the end of my cycle/beginning of stasis. During the taper period I may or may not run a low dose of tamoxifen.

I did want to run hcg throughout, but don't have a source available for that at the moment and I was reading how it is not completely necessary. Opinions?

Here is my main question. The next logical dose point for me to run that is easily measured with 250mg/ml Test E would be 1.25 ml every 3rd day. That would bring me to 728mg/week. Would this be too much? Is it a huge difference? The reason I would want to run that would be so I could use up my 3 vials completely, and maybe achieve better gains.

That leads me to my expectations. I am 5'10", 195lbs, 26 y.o. Any time in the past I have tried to gain more lbm I tend to just gain fat. I would love to end up with a solid 10-15 lb gain on this cycle. I am decently strong and have competed in powerlifting with best lifts raw 451 lb squat, 331 bench, 551 dead.


#2

I would expect - all working out well (well constructed cycle BTW) that with the near 500mg dose you could get 10-15lbs for a first.

However, the difference between 500 and 700 is noticeable, much. I run 700+, never 500 - the size just doesnt come at that dose (anymore).

Also for me i use 0.75mg/day of Anastrozole for a cycle of 750 Test and 3-400mg 19-Nor... just FYI so you know it is done by some, as higher dosage AI's are rarely mentioned here.

I personally dont find much in the way of strength increases with test, but i am not a naturally strong guy - light frame.
But if you have read a while, you should know that all Steroids affect different people in different ways..

Good luck, i vote for 750.

Brook


#3

I would expect - all working out well (well constructed cycle BTW) that with the near 500mg dose you could get 10-15lbs for a first.

However, the difference between 500 and 700 is noticeable, much. I run 700+, never 500 - the size just doesnt come at that dose (anymore).

Also for me i use 0.75mg/day of Anastrozole for a cycle of 750 Test and 3-400mg 19-Nor... just FYI so you know it is done by some, as higher dosage AI's are rarely mentioned here.

I personally dont find much in the way of strength increases with test, but i am not a naturally strong guy - light frame.
But if you have read a while, you should know that all Steroids affect different people in different ways..

Good luck, i vote for 750.

Brook


#4

Ok great. I will start with .5/day of anastrazole and access. Not looking to get all moon faced.

Still looking for info on shooting with the slin pin when you get to the taper part. I have 29g slin pins.

More strength would be nice, but it is size I am really after anyhow. I seem to be one of those guys who just gets strong rather than bigger.

Thanks Brook.


#5

Good job on the well thought out post.

As far as the Adex dose goes. I would start it at .25mg/d for the first week. Then increase the dose if you need to in subsequent weeks. That's if you plan to use the ~730mg amount. If you go with 500mg I would use the Adex at .25mg EOD, then increas if necessary. I'd recommend 8 week cycle of 730mg.

Yes you can use the slin pins for injecting.
One person here (that I know of) uses a slin 3 pin three times. I am not going to give a recomendation either way on that but there won't be a problem injecting with the slin pin. It may become necessary to fill up a slin pin and use it more than once when you are trying to do a 10mg injection.

.5cc 29g slin pins should make measuring the small amounts a do-able task. It's better not to put the small amount into a bigger barrel because some of it will be wasted, and with such a small amount that wouldn't be a good thing.


#6

Looks like most of your questions have been answered, but I would like to applaud you in being able to do some research, read the stickies, and make a proper thread.

Stick around here, we need more people that can handle this internet thing.

Let us know how everything works out, Good luck!


#7

Haha thanks for all the advice guys. I have been lurking a while so I know what the quality of threads have been like.

Started front loading yesterday. No issues injecting since I give injections on occasion (although I must say my hand was shaking a bit). Took .25mg of anastrazole today. Lets get this thing started!

Damn Bonez I should have thought to get the .5cc slin pins, oh well.

I'll be sure to let you all know how this goes.

I won't be able to compare the test taper to a standard PCT for a testosterone cycle, but I will be able to compare it to the PH cycles I have done in the past.

I usually feel really shitty on the standard cold turkey and nolva PCT that I had used years ago on M1T and 1-Test cycles. It actually caused me to remain strictly "natural" for damn near 5 years now. I am really psyched to try out this taper method as it just seems to make sense to me.


#8

Update 3 weeks deep into 728mg/week of Test E. .5mg Arimidex per day. Doubled my dose of test the first week.

I am up 14lbs. I have been eating like a horse, of course. I wasn't until this 3rd week that I started getting incredible pumps in the gym. Lower back, shoulders etc. Today my shoulder workout I had intense almost painful pumps it was awesome. I had been training "naturally" for almost 5 years so I had forgotten what fun anabolics are!

Also, strength is up on everything. I am amazed. Previously I was not able to bench 315 for more than 1. Now I got it for 3 easily and ended up maxing after that at 335.

The way the cycle is going (very well), I may have my last inject at the 6 week mark, running an oral (likely epistane) from weeks 5-8.

Question is, for someone on their first cycle do you think my recovery would be easier if I just drop the test taper idea and use serm PCT at the 8 week mark? Or, I could run my cycle out to about 13 weeks and do a test taper. Any ideas? The only argument I see is that the new mass and strength I am obtaining would be better kept if I could extend it out a few more weeks.

The only disconcerting side effect I have is high blood pressure. I measured it using a blood pressure machine at wal-mart and it read something like 150/85. I hope this machine is wrong. I hope my Arimidex is legit because I wouldn't think I would get this increase in BP unless I was retaining water. Thoughts?


#9

BTW, my ending week marks 8 and 13 allot time for the ester to clear.


#10

HIgh BP can happen even without water retention. It's a androgenic side effect. You can cut down sodium intake, do regular cardio. Since you are not running HCG, I think you can consider stop injecting at end of week 6, or mid week 7. And run a strong oral while test clears your system. This way, you won't feel like shit, while you wait. 728mg/week of test, roughly takes about 3.x weeks to clear.

week 1-6.5 test-e
week 6-9 dbol 30-40 mg per day
week 10-14 serm pct