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First Superdrol Run

Hi all,
Ive been around here for a while so I decided it was finally time to make an account and make some contributions instead of just lurking.

BACKGROUND:
Ive been training for 5 years, 21 years old, 6 foot 3 inches, 210lbs, and approx. 13% bf

DIET:
I wont bore you with my specific meals, but the breakdown is around this…
Calories: 2,796…will be upped to about 3,100 around the 2 week mark
Carbs: 292…this will increase to around 400 at the 2 week mark, or when I start to “feel” it. Whichever comes first.
Fats: 96

SUPPS:
Taurine (if needed), Hawthorn Berry, NAC, Milk Thistle, and Saw Palmetto while on
Nolva for 4 weeks as PCT (also may add tribulus to the mix)
Superdrol will be dosed: 20/20/30/30 and I will be consuming 16 oz of water with each pill
Today is my SECOND day on, and Ill be hitting the gym later tonight so Ill let you guys know how it goes!

All critiques/help is welcome. Thanks guys

Also, my avatar picture is how I currently look. Literally took it 10 minutes before I got done creating a profile here. I will be posting pictures at the end of every week so stay tuned!

Hey guys,

Sorry for the delay as I was having computer issues.
DAY 2: Back

Lat Pulldowns, Close-grip pulldowns, machine rows, cable rows, rack pulls, dumbbell traps

No increase in energy, in fact I felt a little bit more tired than usual and a little ?spacey.?

Weight is still the same at 210, but well see what tomorrow has in store.
Gotta hit the books tonight which sucks cuz its Friday and I would much rather be sitting at home being lazy but ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

Whats your goal? And how much protein do you intake daily.

Jaycuts, my goal is to put on as much mass as I can. Shooting for about 9-10lbs after PCT which i believe i can do if my diet and PCT are in place.

DAY 3: Triceps…skullcrushers, pushdowns, reverse pushdowns, smith machine underhand presses, weighted dips, and triangle pushdowns.

No energy increase, but I do feel better today than I did yesterday. I did notice a better pump than usually, but I think that’s because I had about 50 more grams of carbs than I usually do before I hit the gym and/or placebo effect.

About to hit the grocery store right now and stock up on food so I have no excuse to eat crap food. Also had my girlfriend clean out all the junk food in my kitchen just so I’m not tempted on weekends :wink:

Haha good man keep me posted. Id reccomand thowing in a compound lift and not just doing tri’s…put some bench in there! You’re on superdrol you have to work yourself harder.

[quote]Jaycuts wrote:
Haha good man keep me posted. Id reccomand thowing in a compound lift and not just doing tri’s…put some bench in there! You’re on superdrol you have to work yourself harder. [/quote]

Very true Jay, but I split it up where I’m basically doing 1 bodypart per workout, with the exception of abs and sometimes traps.

DAY 4: Biceps…Hammers, Incline curls, Barbell curls, one arm preachers, machine preachers, rope curls.

Weight is still the same, energy still the same, and appetite still the same as well. Also I figured I would add some more pictures for you guys of how I currently look.


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would you mind posting your weekly training split?

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

would you mind posting your weekly training split?[/quote]

Sure!

Monday- Legs
Tuesday- Off
Wednesday- Chest
Thursday- Shoulders
Friday- Back
Saturday- Triceps
Sunday- Biceps

and abs thrown in when I feel like it basically

Honestly think youd get more out of splitting that chest and shoulers up. Your shoulders and traps usually have the fastest acting androgen receptors. You can experience some better growth with those split up. Your shoulders should blow up on cycle.

But I will say that my overall soreness has definitely increased a lot more than usual. It could be placebo, but I’m not sure.

Anyone every experience this when they start a cycle before they start feeling “on?”

[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Honestly think youd get more out of splitting that chest and shoulers up. Your shoulders and traps usually have the fastest acting androgen receptors. You can experience some better growth with those split up. Your shoulders should blow up on cycle. [/quote]

Very true, I actually just learned that in one of my genetics classes. I’ll get them further apart for sure.

Thanks for the input!

[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Honestly think youd get more out of splitting that chest and shoulers up. Your shoulders and traps usually have the fastest acting androgen receptors. You can experience some better growth with those split up. Your shoulders should blow up on cycle. [/quote]

Not that I don’t believe you, could you give some evidence for this as its the first time I ever hear this ( granted I don’t know that much compared to most people)

[quote]Gcortese wrote:

[quote]Mennotinblack wrote:
Honestly think youd get more out of splitting that chest and shoulers up. Your shoulders and traps usually have the fastest acting androgen receptors. You can experience some better growth with those split up. Your shoulders should blow up on cycle. [/quote]

Not that I don’t believe you, could you give some evidence for this as its the first time I ever hear this ( granted I don’t know that much compared to most people)[/quote]

What my professor mentioned was that it has to do with our gender. If you look at males, obviously our shoulders are more broad than females, and are usually the first muscles you notice increased size/width when you go through puberty. It’s all just in the way we are formulated basically. I’ll try and find an article about it though

Mennotinblack, here you go:

By Jose Antonio PHD

Everybody knows that anabolic steroids, or what most researchers call androgens, promote muscular growth and produce a man’s characteristic “maleness”: facial hair, body hair, heavy musculature and, for some, aggressive behavior. (Since women have much less circulating androgen, the effects would be much more profound if they used these hormones.) But how do men get so big? Most sport scientists say that the receptor for testosterone (the androgen receptor) is fully saturated at normal physiological levels, which means that the average guy has enough circulating androgen to bind to all of his receptor sites.

Don’t let this science jargon scare you. Think of hormones ? in this case testos-
terone ? as a “key.” and its receptor as a “lock” to a door. When testosterone binds
to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle fibers, it’s in essence unlocking a door.
When this door is unlocked, certain physiological processes can occur. In the case of
androgen and androgen receptors, the end result is larger muscles.

Now, if enough keys (androgen) exist for every lock (androgen receptor), then giving someone more keys shouldn’t unlock any more doors. Or can we possibly make more doors (androgen receptors) for this powerful hormone to open?

Can the Body Manufacture More Androgen Receptors?

Muscle obviously responds to androgens. Some scientists believe that the differences in muscle mass between the sexes is related to levels of the androgen receptor. Men have more and should therefore be sensitized to circulating androgen. It has been postulated that the shoulder (deltoids, trapezius) and pectoral muscles exhibit higher androgen receptor levels in males than in females, which might explain some of the differences in upper-body size between men and women.
A number of researchers believe that if the androgen receptor is saturated at normal physiological amounts, then any excess androgen would only down-regulate (decrease the number or affinity of) the receptor. But androgens don’t have the same response in all tissues. For example, a down-regulation of androgen receptors in the penis takes place in response to androgen. It makes sense that as circulating androgens rise in a developing animal, the level of androgen receptors in the penis would decrease along with androgen-induced growth. As the penis reaches adult size, it consequently becomes insensitive to the anabolic effects of androgen.

But is this what occurs in muscle tissue? Probably not. Androgens seem to exert their anabolic effects through multiple mechanisms. One possibility is that if you take exogenous androgen (that is, oral or injectable anabolic steroids), you may actually increase the level of androgen receptors present in skeletal muscle. If you have more receptors, you’d have an enhanced anabolic effect as a result of steroid use.
In some of my rat subjects, the androgen receptor levels are decreased in certain skeletal muscles ? when you take away almost all of the animals’ normal circulating lestos-terone, they end up with fewer receptors. So guess what happens when you give these rats androgens? They up-regulate, or increase the number of androgen receptors.

Big deal, you say. This is just a bunch of chemistry gob-bledygook. Well, if you’ve been paying attention, you’ll see how this scenario might explain why taking greater and greater doses of androgens produces larger and more muscular bodybuilders. A plateauing effect of androgens doesn’t seem to occur: The more you take, the more receptors you make, the more sensitized your muscles become and the bigger you get. It becomes a constant anabolic cycle.
Although not proven scientifically, this may explain some of the profound effects seen with steroid use among bodybuilders.

It is because of the density of the receptors. Type in shoulder androgen receptor density. Neck has a high density too.

Yeah my professor mentioned neck/face. Except I’m not to sure about the face part haha. Anyways,

DAY 5: Wheels…squats, lunges, breathing squats with a 3 second negative motion, extensions, curls, hack squats.

Right now I squat 315 x 6, so I’m trying to get this number up a good amount by the end of the cycle. I always try and go “ass to grass” which I find somewhat hard being so tall and lanky, but I’ll get my numbers up.

Again, no increase in strength, appetite, aggression, or energy, but let me tell you I am lethargic as ever. I slept 9 hours last night and today I had 3 cups of coffee and Im still tired and nodding out here and there. Hopefully this is a sign that its doing its magic. It could also just be that I slept too much.

I’ll have pictures up in a couple of days for you guys for some comparison.

This will sound unorthodox but try it while on cycle, i got my squat up to 500 at 17 years old (superdrol) by doing this. I squat less now but i dont cycle anymore. But anyways. Set the handle bars (the safety bars) just where the top of your squat goes. It is important to have as close of a number as possible to the bars location at the bottum of your lift. Now go to failure. If you have results like me, your body will freak on the last reps and youll prolly get 315x9-10. Then you fail only an inch lower on the last rep, and you should save your knees if your form is right.

The increases per workout are godlike. I would lay down and have to practically pass out for 10 min. You just have to have 100 percent effort. If you want to get the most out of your deadlifts, move the bar up to where you are only lifting it up 3-4 inches to be at the top of your lift… (I like to do this at the end of my workout after normal deadlifts, etc.)… except have like 100-150 more pounds then you deadlift. This will trick your mind into getting used to holding the extra weight without straining the lower back. It can help with barbell rows too. Just set a timeframe from holding those heavy loads- but dont use straps, probably sumo grip.

You can try the same thing on squats and bench as linear periodization really fools muscles. Unlike reverse… Linear never says things are getting easier. I dont recommend bench negatives but thats just me. Its because they usually require spotters and i believe in making the body learn to do the work. If you must id do chains. Learned these tricks with my friends who benched about 400+ pounds at 18 years old if you desire a reference lol.

Here is one of those superdrol junkies from my high school at 17 before junior year even started.