I responded to this like three times, but the response never made it online. Not sure if this will either, but I'll give it one last shot. I may make it brief only because I literrally reponded three other times!
- Seeing as I have already started the TRT am I now fucked for trying to find the root cause of this?
Not necessarily....From what you said your doc did a hormone panel prior to you getting your first IM injection. That info can lead you in the right direction. Please post these results asap. When you see your doc demand a copy of all your test work. They can print it there no problem.
If you're interested in trying to fix the problem before getting dependent on TRT I would suggest not taking another injection. Once your body gets used to the exogenous test then natural production shuts down. This will make it difficult to try and tune your own system because its like taking the battery out of a laptop and running it on the cord. As soon as you remove the cord the laptop is shut down. However, unlike a computer, you cant start your own production by simply putting the battery back in. Having only had one injection your body is most likely not shut down yet, especially at such a low dose.
-My doctor said that he wants my T levels to be about 500 - 600 which seemed low for a 22 year old. Thoughts
I started at 152 and I'm now at 563. I feel pretty damn good. Although you are 12 years younger, the differences in optimal levels are not so vast, especially when you are talking about adding hundreds to your total serum level.
The only way to know for sure is to see how you feel at that number, but it is definitely a great goal for now. It would be double what you're starting with.
-I had 150mg of Test C injected on 9-12-13 and haven't noticed a change in my mood, libido, confidence, or anything, I basically feel no different from before the shot. Will it take a couple shots to notice its affects?
It's been five days now, and I'm wondering if you feel anything. I had at five days. The first couple of weeks I noticed a difference physically when it came to mood, libido, and overall energy.
Don't get discouraged it takes time and the effects are very subtle with the doses we are on. After five weeks I have noticed a change in self-confidence, emotional stability, as well as the physcial benefits.
It may be due to the low dose. I was on 200mg/ml bi weekly with axiron daily. So, I was getting more than twice what you are and I barely got to 563 in one month. I would ask to increase the dose without a doubt. I would tell him you want to do the injections yourself.
-Would you please bullet point your main insights regarding my case so I can easily reference them?
- do these docs make profit off the gels and thats why mine pushed it so hard
The docs are what they say "in bed" with the pharmaceutical companies. While they don't directly profit from writing you a RX for a specific topical, each doc has a pharmaceitucal rep for the companies who make the stuff. Believe this....they do "nice" things for the docs. bring them lunch promos, etc. I'm sure depending on the docs specialty and number of RX's he could potentially be writing, they make do more or less for the doc.
That is how the chain works...the RX companies come in and push their product and the docs write RX for tha product and the cycle continues.
I find if you know what you want they can't really push a certain brand or product on you. Most topicals have a patent which means there is no generic. This is why they often want to use topicals over injectables. The injectables are generic and very cheap. Costco has a 10ml bottle of Test Cyp for $66.00. That's less than 3.00 a week at your dose.
My doc wanted to use Androgel but I told him everything I read says Test Cyp is better so he agreed. Thats when he offered the topical as well and I asked for Axiron instead. This is because it is applied to the armpit and has less chance of transfer to others.
-haven't noticed any major changes in attitude, mode, motivation or self confidence yet. In fact, I feel almost the same as I did before the Test dose. Does this bring any assumptions to your mind about dosage or anything else?
I think 75 mg a week (150mg bi weekly) is much too low. Again, I am on 200mg bi weekly and was also using a topical every day to get to 563 in one month.
I would suggest a higher dose and/or adding a topical. Your test results will confirm this assumption, or prove it wrong. I would request blood work each time you go in. this is to make sure your dose is right and also to check for other things. see below
-When is an appropriate level to get on an AI if 150mg every two weeks isn't worth it? Is there any reason not to be on one just in case?
If your estradiol E2 level is high then you nee an AI to make sure it doesnt convert to estrogen. However, you need estrogen as well. So, yes, adding one for the hell of it can cause a problem. If your body doesn't aromatase what it needs to and you have too little estrogen then you can suffer from some of the same symptoms.
With my dose my E2 levels are still good. If they go up I will add one. None of this stuff happens overnight. What I mean is you have time to add an AI and don't have to worry so much. When you get your next blood test check your E2 level and discuss with your doc or here online to see if your assumption is right. I sincerely doubt you would need an AI. WHen it comes to TRT unless you are using real high amounts your E2 levels usually stay in check.
You will see all kinds of info from people who take it as part of their normal regimen, but good luck getting yoru physicain to prescribe it. Most of these guys are going to TRT anti-aging doctors and spending cash. So the doc uses it and they feel they are getting state of the art treatment. With that being said however, if your hormone levels call for it then your doc wil give i to you.
It's really a balancing act with everything and it all takes time
----Don't be discouraged if you haven't noticed much. Once your numbers get up there you will know there is a difference. I may just take time and more fine tuning with your doc. Sounds like hes opted to take a slow, careful approach. Either way once you're numbers are at 500-600 you will feel different. And make sure he doesnt test real soon after your injectin.
Whether you end up going weekly or bi weeily your test shoudl be half way mark between shots. This is to get the most accurate reading as your levels will be spiked right after your injection.
Let me know if I missed any of your questions.. Hope this helped some.