First Injectable Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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Hi guys,

Brief History: I have used AAS before, my first and only cycle so far has been anavar only at 80mgs/day for 6 weeks. Amazing strength gains and also a surprising gain in LBM as well.

Anyways, I’m looking at starting my first injectable cycle in January and I would like to plan it all out before hand. I was thinking of running test enth only at around 250-500mg/wk for 10 weeks as well as using 1mg of a-dex EOD (freaked at worsening my gyno).

Hopefully with a clean bulking diet, I can shed a bunch of fat on this stuff while gaining a good amount of size.

Please experts, help me fine tune this cycle. Also any recommended PCT would be great too. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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1mg of Adex EOD is too much. Especially if you run that dose. For PTC I’d do a search. Aromasin and Nolva works good. Thats a light cycle so I would think you wouldn’t need anything too crazy for PTC.

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Thanks for the advice! I’m also wondering what an optimal dose of test would be if I injected every 7 days. I was leaning towards 500, but I’m not sure if I need to do that much right off the bat…

Also, how would you recommend I dose adex if 1mg eod is too much? 0.25 EOD sound decent?

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You shouldn’t be taking Aromasin for PCT, or any aromatase inhibitor for that matter. Once the last bit of the Test ester is out of your body, there isn’t any estrogen to be aromatised in the first place, so an AI is redundant. Stick with Nolvadex at about 40mg for the first 10 days, then drop to 20mg for the duration for a total of about 5 weeks.

As for Arimidex during cycle, you probably don’t need it if you’re running that dose (preferably the 500mg/week). But if you’re gyno-prone, you might want to consider .25mg ED.

Those goals you have set are rather ambitious without a good diet. What’s it look like?

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[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
Thanks for the advice! I’m also wondering what an optimal dose of test would be if I injected every 7 days. I was leaning towards 500, but I’m not sure if I need to do that much right off the bat…

Also, how would you recommend I dose adex if 1mg eod is too much? 0.25 EOD sound decent?[/quote]

Inject twice a week with test e to keep your blood levels more stable and reduce sides. I’ve done test injections eod before, which isnt really necessary but my acne didnt start popping up nearly as fast as when I did twice or once a week injections.

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As of now, my diet is a bit inconsistent. This is what my usual day looks like:

breakfast: protein shake (24g) with a bowl of “good for you cereal” (lots of complex carbs in there) as well as a serving of Vege Greens

mid-morning snack: bag of carrots

lunch: pretty thick roast beef (in store made, no preservatives) sandwich between multigrain bread w/ mustard

PWO shake: double shot of protein (48g) (sometimes in milk)

dinner: a high protein/low carb dinner which usually consists of either a can of tuna, or some chicken (I buy these ready-made chickens from the grocery store and toss them in the fridge to pick at over the week) as well as another serving of carrots.

I’m not really one to count my calories, I’m sure I get enough throughout the day. I would jack up the amount of food while cycling, of course.

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You really should count the calories, the idea is to know exactly how much you’re taking so you can make adjustments according to your results and changes in physiology.

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Hmm, perhaps I should start. I might just pick up the fitday software to help me with this. Any other input regarding recommended diet/cycle/pct? Thanks a lot guys.

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Is the number 87 in your name your year of birth?

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Ha, you got me :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ll be 21 in February and I’ve been seriously lifting for 3 years. Don’t get the wrong impression here, I’m not some high school kid looking to get big biceps and impress girls. I’m in my third year of college and I’m very serious about lifting/bodybuilding.

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I’d go with 500mg a week either in one shot or split up in two. You’ll still get good results with just one shot a week.

Your diet looks like crap. I would eat 2 grams of protein per lb of lean body mass. Try this first before you hit the juice and you should make some good gains. Personally I suggest you get some more experience training and eating before you use gear. Lots of people underestimate how much muscle they can put on without AAS.

What are your stats? weight height and BF.

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3 years lifitng and your gonna jump on aas? I am not going to hit you up abot your age, because I am no older, but I really dont think 3 years warrants aas use. I mean you have never even counted calories before, it seems like your looking for a short cut bro. Like hagar asked, what are your stats?

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Thanks for the input guys.

stats:

height: 5’8
weight: hovering around 225
bodyfat: don’t know exactly, but still too high

lifts (1rm):
squat: 365
deadlift: 415
bench: 270

Still a pretty pudgy fella, but a pretty jacked pudgy. I’m hoping that if I can pack on a decent amount of muscle mass, It’ll make the fat loss easier. Perhaps I’ll put this cycle on hold for a while, try and get my protein intake to a good level like you said Hagar. Counting calories is a hell of a tough task, but I’ll make an effort.

What is your diet like Hagar? I’m interested to know what you’re eating on a daily basis so I can get ideas on what kind of foods to eat.

Thanks again for the help!

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Just thought I’d add in… I’ve been looking into the Anabolic diet for the last hour or so, and it looks pretty rad. I may just start up on this come next Monday. Anyone have any experience with this?

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[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
Thanks for the input guys.

stats:

height: 5’8
weight: hovering around 225
bodyfat: don’t know exactly, but still too high

lifts (1rm):
squat: 365
deadlift: 415
bench: 270

Still a pretty pudgy fella, but a pretty jacked pudgy. I’m hoping that if I can pack on a decent amount of muscle mass, It’ll make the fat loss easier. Perhaps I’ll put this cycle on hold for a while, try and get my protein intake to a good level like you said Hagar. Counting calories is a hell of a tough task, but I’ll make an effort.

What is your diet like Hagar? I’m interested to know what you’re eating on a daily basis so I can get ideas on what kind of foods to eat.

Thanks again for the help![/quote]
Hey do not take this the wrong way…Its constructive criticism…

Facts:
Your 5’8 225 and not lean as stated. Your 1RM are not that great, especially after lifting for 3 years. You have already used Anavar. You have also previously stated “Counting calories is a hell of a tough task, but I’ll make an effort.”, and “I’ll put this cycle on hold for a while, try and get my protein intake to a good level like you said Hagar”.

My input:
You sound like a young adult that still has a lot to learn. Wouldn’t you think that after 3 years of lifting that you would have seen better results if you had everything in check and did it the correct way? You have already used Anavar, and what age was that used at? Your only 21 man, you have plenty of natural testosterone brewing! I am not against steroids in anyway, but you seem like you need to do a lot more research on everything before you start to use the gear.

You said that counting calories is a tough task, but youll make an effort? Hopefully you will make an effort, this is your one and only body! No offense, but i think you are a little in-experienced to start the gear, and i also think that you are just looking for an easy way out. Start to read more about diet, lifting programs, and the gear a lot more before you try to use it. Good luck man, best wishes!

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Thanks for the input Mike. I’ve been doing some reading around, and it looks like I really don’t know shit :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve decided on giving the Anabolic diet a try, hopefully this will help me reach my potential. I’ve always been so concerned with losing fat that I haven’t comsumed nearly enough calories in my current diet to promote the best muscle growth.

Anyways, thanks for the help fellas. I’ll be sticking around here for a while to learn a thing or two for sure :slight_smile:

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[quote]Contrl wrote:
You shouldn’t be taking Aromasin for PCT, or any aromatase inhibitor for that matter. Once the last bit of the Test ester is out of your body, there isn’t any estrogen to be aromatised in the first place, so an AI is redundant. Stick with Nolvadex at about 40mg for the first 10 days, then drop to 20mg for the duration for a total of about 5 weeks.[/quote]

Aromasin is more than an AI. Google the Anthony Roberts article about it for his rationale on using it for PCT.

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[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
Thanks for the input Mike. I’ve been doing some reading around, and it looks like I really don’t know shit :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve decided on giving the Anabolic diet a try, hopefully this will help me reach my potential. I’ve always been so concerned with losing fat that I haven’t comsumed nearly enough calories in my current diet to promote the best muscle growth.

Anyways, thanks for the help fellas. I’ll be sticking around here for a while to learn a thing or two for sure :)[/quote]

Just keep reading like you have been, and get the diet straightened up good. Because honestly, your still only 20, your at peak levels of testosterone in your body. If you have a good clean diet eating anywhere from 4-8 meals a day, spread about 2.5-3 hours apart from each other, you’ll be good to go. Also, about the protein intake, i have heard you should eat 1gram of protein per kilogram of bodyweight, but i try to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight. Just eat good clean meats, no deep fried foods etc. You probably know all of this by now, so ill shut up though.

Besides, who wants to listen to a 17 year old ramble anyway?

Good luck bro. Keep hitting it hard and have a clean diet, youll see plenty of improvement.

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[quote]KingMike wrote:

Just keep reading like you have been, and get the diet straightened up good. Because honestly, your still only 20, your at peak levels of testosterone in your body. If you have a good clean diet eating anywhere from 4-8 meals a day, spread about 2.5-3 hours apart from each other, you’ll be good to go. Also, about the protein intake, i have heard you should eat 1gram of protein per kilogram of bodyweight, but i try to eat 1 gram per pound of body weight. Just eat good clean meats, no deep fried foods etc. You probably know all of this by now, so ill shut up though.

Besides, who wants to listen to a 17 year old ramble anyway?

Good luck bro. Keep hitting it hard and have a clean diet, youll see plenty of improvement.

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You’re 17?! If this is correct, I wish there were a shitload more 17 year olds with your common sense, wisdom and typing skills.

Also, you’re huge! Good job.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
You’re 17?! If this is correct, I wish there were a shitload more 17 year olds with your common sense, wisdom and typing skills.

Also, you’re huge! Good job.
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Hey, thanks bro :slight_smile: I appreciate it.