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First Cycle

Weeks 1-8

500mg Test/week
400mg Deca/week
.5 mg Arimidex/every other day

Weeks 10-12

40mg Nolva

Weeks 12-14

20mg Nolva
Unleashed/Post Cycle

Weeks 14-16

Unleashed/Post Cycle

Is there anything I’m missing? Or any other suggestions. I did my research, but I just want to make 100% sure I’m good to go before I start. Thanks, gents.

LOTS OF FOOD… and some creatine. Looks good man, roll with it. Stats…? Great 1st cycle, one of my faves except I’ve tried, except I threw a little D-bol in there.

Post your current stats.

400mg of deca is a pretty high dose. Also, if you’re going to use deca, you’ll want to get your hands on some cabergoline.

Also, frontload your first shots and cut out the deca one week before you cut your test.

What ester of T are you going to use? Enanthate?

Thanks for the quick replies. I love this site. :slight_smile:

I’m 5’10, 190. I’m somewhere between 12-14% BF.

I apologize, I’m using Test P for the first 4 weeks, then Test E for the second. I should’ve mentioned that.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Post your current stats.

400mg of deca is a pretty high dose. Also, if you’re going to use deca, you’ll want to get your hands on some cabergoline.

Also, frontload your first shots and cut out the deca one week before you cut your test.

What ester of T are you going to use? Enanthate?[/quote]

Awesome, noted.

900 mg of gear is a pretty heavy first cycle. Not saying that it’ll equate to problems, but it’s not the most prudent approach to starting chemical enhancement imo.

Two weeks or so between last test E injection and beginning PCT, so if you’re pinning through the end of wk 8, you’ll start nolva closer to the beginning of wk 11, rather than “week 10”.

Caber or some other dopamine receptor agonist (~anti-prolactin) certainly should be on hand, as rrjc pointed out above.

[quote]James23 wrote:
LOTS OF FOOD… and some creatine. Looks good man, roll with it. Stats…? Great 1st cycle, one of my faves except I’ve tried, except I threw a little D-bol in there. [/quote]

Really James? It looks good?

What about a dopamine antagonist to control prolactin based side effects?

Were you going to mention that week 10 should be an off week and week 11 is when PCT should start? Or is that something he should just roll with? That’s not even taking into account that nandrolone deca has a longer half life than enanthate and PCT would have to start even later if the deca wasn’t stopped a week before the enanthate.

What if he gets certain side effects; how will he know if its from the 500mg of test or the 400mg of nandrolone or a combination of both?

OP: starting with prop and finishing with enathate is fundamentally flawed. It’s actually the opposite of what should be done if one only had limited supply of both drugs. If you inject prop for the first 4 weeks then switch to enanthate it will take a few weeks for the enanthate to build up. What do you plan to do in the time where the prop levels have fallen off but the enanthate levels have no built up yet?

Starting with a frontload of enanthate and finishing with prop would make more sense because youd be able to cut down the time before starting PCT.

I do not recommend deca for a first cycle.

Go read the stickies please.

[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
900 mg of gear is a pretty heavy first cycle. Not saying that it’ll equate to problems, but it’s not the most prudent approach to starting chemical enhancement imo.

Two weeks or so between last test E injection and beginning PCT, so if you’re pinning through the end of wk 8, you’ll start nolva closer to the beginning of wk 11, rather than “week 10”.

Caber or some other dopamine receptor agonist (~anti-prolactin) certainly should be on hand, as rrjc pointed out above.[/quote]

Think I should take it down to 250mg Deca? I’ve never heard of Caber? What should I keep it on hand for? Is it a “just in case” thing, or should I take it at a specific time?

[quote]GettingHyooj wrote:
Think I should take it down to 250mg Deca? I’ve never heard of Caber? What should I keep it on hand for? Is it a “just in case” thing, or should I take it at a specific time?[/quote]

This statement tells me you should take a long pause and re-consider what you are doing here. It is very wise to know exactly what certain exogenous compounds will/might do to your body before you inject said compounds into yourself. Equally true its just as valuable to know what possible side effects could rear their ugly heads and have the proper ancillary in your possession prior to commencement.

Now admittedly, there is a lot of e-panic on this site at times. IMO there is a great deal of fire and brimstone that is often mis-directed at under-knowledged rookies. In your specific case since you are not aware of all the in’s and out’s of a cycle, I again strongly advise waiting and learning some more. At the end of the day it is every individuals choice what compounds to run and what ancillaries to have on hand. Experience of course is the best teacher, since you have none at all you will need to rely upon others collective experience.

[quote]saps wrote:
GettingHyooj wrote:
Think I should take it down to 250mg Deca? I’ve never heard of Caber? What should I keep it on hand for? Is it a “just in case” thing, or should I take it at a specific time?

This statement tells me you should take a long pause and re-consider what you are doing here. It is very wise to know exactly what certain exogenous compounds will/might do to your body before you inject said compounds into yourself. Equally true its just as valuable to know what possible side effects could rear their ugly heads and have the proper ancillary in your possession prior to commencement.

Now admittedly, there is a lot of e-panic on this site at times. IMO there is a great deal of fire and brimstone that is often mis-directed at under-knowledged rookies. In your specific case since you are not aware of all the in’s and out’s of a cycle, I again strongly advise waiting and learning some more. At the end of the day it is every individuals choice what compounds to run and what ancillaries to have on hand. Experience of course is the best teacher, since you have none at all you will need to rely upon others collective experience.[/quote]

That’s why I’m here! I did my research, and I know I got some more to learn. I’ve searched this up and down for months. I have everything in my OP on hand, and I have no problem waiting another few months to start so I know I have all my bases covered.

Its just there is a lot of mixed and just plain wrong info on the net. I’m trying to sort out the right from the wrong. I heard 400mg of decca is a good dose on many sites, but if I find a consensus on here, which I consider to be a more reliable site than most, I’ll take it down a little. I’m willing to learn, as long as guys with experience are willing to keep putting out good info.

Why not go with a test-only cycle the first time around, then add compounds in subsequent cycles if you deem necessary? Keep it simple.

Why is it I can inevitably predict the direction a “First Cycle” thread will go based upon the OP’s screen name?

Haaaaaa, yeeeaa the screen name is kind of a giveaway this should be FUN. Look, Bonezie donâ??t get your hot-pants in a bunch. Iâ??m not looking to get in a pissing match with you or anything, but I have used that cycle before and rather enjoyed it. My joints felt great, all my lifts went up significantly, and I didnâ??t lose any cardio endurance. All in all a great cycle without sides, but maybe thatâ??s just me. When I said the cycle looked okay, Iâ??m going off of my experience. He has the A.I.  covered EOD with the A-dex and the only thing Deca might convert to is progesterone. Bromocriptine/Parlodel could fix any type of those irritating side effects easily if there is a problem, but I didnâ??t like the effect the drug had on me so I didnâ??t take it and no problems.

Anyhow, again with what he has it looks like a pretty good cycle. PCT not starting until week 10 should be fine, because that would give him 2 weeks since his last shot and the half-lives would have worked down enough by then to at least start. The only thing I personally would be taking as a part of PCT is HCG. Again thatâ??s me and some people donâ??t think itâ??s really a necessity and you should be okay without it.  

I will say Test & Deca wasnâ??t my 1st cycle. D-bol 20, 30, 40, 40, 30, 20 was and I put on 40lbs while keeping 25. Clomid was my on cycle therapy as well as post cycle. It work great and I could nut like a Porn Star only better (added positive side). For a 1st timer a test only cycle at 500mg/wk would be my recommendation and a good start, but he has the Deca and probably will use it anyway. So if he is going to use Deca, Test would be my first suggestion with D-bol running a close second. The dosing isnâ??t too wild, so really I donâ??t see what all the puffiness is about bro (Provided youâ??re not the sauce right now). Which, would explain a lotâ?¦ Geez man I don't smoke, but maybe you should think about buying a bowl. I heard it's good for the appetite.

[quote]James23 wrote:
Haaaaaa, yeeeaa the screen name is kind of a giveaway this should be FUN. Look, Bonezie don�¢??t get your hot-pants in a bunch. I�¢??m not looking to get in a pissing match with you or anything, but I have used that cycle before and rather enjoyed it. My joints felt great, all my lifts went up significantly, and I didn�¢??t lose any cardio endurance. All in all a great cycle without sides, but maybe that�¢??s just me. When I said the cycle looked okay, I�¢??m going off of my experience. He has the A.I. covered EOD with the A-dex and the only thing Deca might convert to is progesterone. Bromocriptine/Parlodel could fix any type of those irritating side effects easily if there is a problem, but I didn�¢??t like the effect the drug had on me so I didn�¢??t take it and no problems.

Anyhow, again with what he has it looks like a pretty good cycle. PCT not starting until week 10 should be fine, because that would give him 2 weeks since his last shot and the half-lives would have worked down enough by then to at least start. The only thing I personally would be taking as a part of PCT is HCG. Again that�¢??s me and some people don�¢??t think it�¢??s really a necessity and you should be okay without it.  

I will say Test & Deca wasn�¢??t my 1st cycle. D-bol 20, 30, 40, 40, 30, 20 was and I put on 40lbs while keeping 25. Clomid was my on cycle therapy as well as post cycle. It work great and I could nut like a Porn Star only better (added positive side). For a 1st timer a test only cycle at 500mg/wk would be my recommendation and a good start, but he has the Deca and probably will use it anyway. So if he is going to use Deca, Test would be my first suggestion with D-bol running a close second. The dosing isn�¢??t too wild, so really I don�¢??t see what all the puffiness is about bro (Provided you�¢??re not the sauce right now). Which, would explain a lot�¢?�¦ Geez man I don't smoke, but maybe you should think about buying a bowl. I heard it's good for the appetite.

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You still don’t realize that if someone runs an 8 week cycle that week 8 is an ‘on’ week. That means week 9 is the first week off and week 10 is the second week off. Week 11 is 2 weeks after PCT.

And deca doesn’t ‘convert’ to progesterone. You’re typing nonsense.

Just because you got by with doing whatever you did doesn’t mean its the best way to do things. So make sure that when you give half assed information out in public you let people know that it is half assed.

And don’t comment on whether or not I am on a cycle. You’re a nobody to me. And to avoid this happening in a different thread it’s easier just to block you.

Back to the question, anyone who can answer, I’d appreciate it. I looked into caber. Should I use it at a low dose throughout the cycle or should I just keep it “just in case?” I was thinking about just low dosing, .25mg 2x/week while on cycle. Good idea?

You should not use nandrolone for your first cycle and just stick with test or perhaps test with dianabol for a short period.

See? All problems magically solved.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
You should not use nandrolone for your first cycle and just stick with test or perhaps test with dianabol for a short period.

See? All problems magically solved.[/quote]

Ok, so how about this:

1-10 500mg/week testosterone (First E, then P)
1-10 .5 mg Arimidex/EOD
1-4 35mg/day dbol
13-14 nolvadex 40mg/day
15-16 nolvadex 20mg/day
13-16 Unleashed/Post Cycle

[quote]GettingHyooj wrote:
Cortes wrote:
You should not use nandrolone for your first cycle and just stick with test or perhaps test with dianabol for a short period.

See? All problems magically solved.

Ok, so how about this:

1-10 500mg/week testosterone (First E, then P)
1-10 .5 mg Arimidex/EOD
1-4 35mg/day dbol
12-14 nolvadex 40mg/day
14-16 nolvadex 20mg/day
12-16 Unleashed/Post Cycle[/quote]

Things are looking a bit better. Some things could be tweaked a bit perhaps regarding the dbol and test, but it’s not going to make a world of difference.

But… if you’re planning on finishing with the much shorter prop ester then you certainly don’t need to wait two weeks (though you still seem confused about even that simple timeline) before PCT.

I’d start PCT 4 days after the last shot of prop; some people tend to start on day 3 and others start on day 5 or 6, based on similar levels of prop.

Much better.

Don’t switch esters at all. The thing to be taken away from this entire thread is to keep things simple.

Frontload Test e
Run 500mg/w split into 2 or (ideally) 3 shots a weeks for 8 weeks (because you frontloaded).
30 to 40mg of dianabol/d for W5-10 (W9-10 will support you with anabolism as the test e clears).
W1-8 Arimidex at the dosage that suits your needs
W11-12 Nolvadex 40mg/d
W13-14 Nolvadex 20mg/d

This should be plenty but if you want to use your testosterone booster after this then fine. Don’t mess with it during PCT. Let the nolva do it’s job. Some test boosters can actually cause further suppression if you are already suppressed, believe it or not.

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Much better.

Don’t switch esters at all. The thing to be taken away from this entire thread is to keep things simple.

Frontload Test e
Run 500mg/w split into 2 or (ideally) 3 shots a weeks for 8 weeks (because you frontloaded).
30 to 40mg of dianabol/d for W5-10 (W9-10 will support you with anabolism as the test e clears).
W1-8 Arimidex at the dosage that suits your needs
W11-12 Nolvadex 40mg/d
W13-14 Nolvadex 20mg/d

This should be plenty but if you want to use your testosterone booster after this then fine. Don’t mess with it during PCT. Let the nolva do it’s job. Some test boosters can actually cause further suppression if you are already suppressed, believe it or not. [/quote]

Awesome. And should I even save the liver support for after the nolva? Or should I take it along with?