my stats: 26yrs old have used pro hormones in the past.
6’3 222.5lbs at approx 14% BF while training seriously the past 6-7 years.
My expectations: to put on some size/weight for my frame and then harden/tone up the results best I can.
Heres what my cycle looks like
Week 1-14 Test E 250mg pinned twice a week.
Week 1-4 Dbol @ 40mg-50mg ED.
figured this would also give some time off on my liver.
Week 11-14 Winstrol @ 25mg-50mg ED.
Week 1-14 Arimidex .5mg EOD/ED depending on bloat/estrogen flares.
Nolvadex/tamoxifen citrate 40/40/20/20
I have no access to HCG ATM but if i can get some id pin 250ui twice a week for last 8 weeks of cycle. ( am i fine without it?)
Also i will be taking a good liver support(tudca)/milk thistle
and diet will consist of 5k cals, anwhere between 400-550grams protein
carbs up to 800s and drop/cycle carbs last 4 weeks on winstrol.
the only thing i think is a problem is trying to figure out which one I want more dbol/winstrol if together would be too harsh on the insides.
Im debating on lean bulking and getting that nice hard look at the end of my cycle or just a straight cut with winstrol added in. [/quote]
Looks good and looks like you have taken the time to read through previous posts.
I personally would just stick with the 500mg of test per week. It was my first cycle. Loved it. With a clean diet im sure you will be happy. I hate dbol, sure it gives a nice strength spike to the start of a cycle but for your goals it isnt needed, just means excess water retention. I would strongly recommend anavar if you want to try an oral. As for the winny, I just dont think you will be in good enough condition to warrant using it.
HCG, you already know the answer. If you want the best outcome from all aspects of using aas, hcg should be used on cycle. Using an enanthate ester you want to start 250iu twice per week from the seconf week into cycle, right up until last injection. Then a nice 2 week break before your pct.
PCT, looks good, I would use the chlomid at 50/50/0/0 however.
Should cycle carbs all the time, very effective way to stay leaner but energetic.
If you wanted, you could look at an 8 week cycle of test prop. Only downside is more pinning than an enanthate ester. I personally love it, especially in combo with tren ace and mast prop. Very nice hard and lean gains. Not recommended for a first cycle however.
Thanks for the input andy! yes i did my fair bit of research before posting anything dumb lol. In my opinion I think I could handle atleast 2 different compounds, and if dbol is mostly water which I read i was also considering a test/deca cycle
ai/pct would be same but i would add .25mg-1mg prami(frightened to death from the “deca dick”) E3d, and deca 300mg a week. test 500mg a week but i obviously dont know as much as you or some of the other vets on the forum so if you still say 500mg test is best ill probably end up going with that to be safe.
and is anavar super expensive to run at a decent dose? witch from my research id say like anywhere from 25mg-75mg ED for a starter?
Honestly mate if you dont make some nice gains from 500mg test as your first cycle then its not the gear its the lack of good training and diet.
My first 3 cycles were 500mg test e, all gave great results. I now love the test prop and tren ace combination. My next cycle will be 100mg test prop/100mg tren ace and i am hoping for some very nice “hard” gains.
My point is, from starting out very simple, you can quickly assess wether or not you are committed to stay on aas, you can improve your diet and training to keep making great progress even naturally and you can always look forward to going onto a new cycle of maybe some new compounds. But most importantly you stay healthy.
As for decca, I dont see anything that other “safer” compounds dont offer that decca does. If you want more “bulk” go on a slow acting esters like test e/tren e/eq and increase calories.