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First Cycle - Test Prop Only


#1

Age: 23
Weight: 188 lbs
BF: 11%
Height: 6'0"

Cycle:

Test Prop 70mg ED for 6 weeks
HCG 200mg starting day 7 E3D (every 3 days)

PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20

-How does this look?

-How long would you wait before starting PCT?


#2

Shorter cycles are easier to recover from, so in terms of length of cycle and compound choice. It is a great first cycle.

With that being said I would up the dose slightly to 100mg and lengthen the cycle by 2 weeks just so you get that little extra nice gain time frame.

In terms of practicality, might be a bitch. Test prop can burn and injecting every day first time round might not be easy. If you can stick it then go for it.

hcg is done in Iu’s. 250iu 2x per week on cycle. starting with 0.5mg adex eod from day 1 of first jab as prop is a fast ester.

PCT should be started 1/2 days after last pin too.


#3

Just seen this. you are all over the place.

Ide hang fire until your all set and making solid progress naturally.

Then go with the test p cycle above.


#4

so you want to do 0.7mg of prop ED - totaling 4.9mg of prop per week? Also HCG @ 200mg makes no sense

No mention of an AI during the cycle.


#5

Yea I was in a really bad place for 3 days because I didn’t have a plan and was worried. I was stuck between the longer and shorter cycle and good thing I had the freak out because now I think this is a much better plan as you said Andy. If you have read my previous thread, everything is under control in terms of eating and training, again.

Also my main goal is to hold on to my cut results better and stay lean while reverse dieting by increasing LBM. I am tired of yo yo dieting. Don’t ever want to get that low again, and you can see why from the previous thread.

Not too worried about getting as big as possible but still want to maximize growth while on which should come from training and diet.

I have asin on hand as an AI and was planning to wait and add as needed in 12.5 mg increments. I will go with 250mg HCG but I was hoping to use the first week to gauge how I react before adding in AI or HCG and add as needed so I know how my body reacts for future cycles.

Haha sorry I meant 70mg of prop!

So only wait one half life before PCT?


#6

Also I have test e on hand in case the ED pins go wrong like some of the people that get major swelling.

If anything happens just switch to test e and go a little longer. But I think I should be fine.

Going to hot shower, roll and massage the site before. Bathe the vial before drawing in hot water and pin with 27g needle. Should help make the first few days bearable until my muscle gets used to absorbing the test…I hope


#7

I think you can do the prop EOD which might be easier for you.

I would go for 8 weeks, run an AI and the HCG from the first injection.

PCT looks ok for an 8 week cycle - I think they say wait 3 days before starting but with prop it won’t matter that much as even if you start early its only 1 day, unlike enanthate where it takes a lot longer to clear.


#8

I used a Roid calc to look at the difference between eod and Ed.

It looks like Ed I reach peak sooner and there is a more steady increase.

I have seen some threads about eod being not as good because of the shorter half life. In terms of reaching peak concentration and not dropping on the days I don’t pin. Makes sense but it’s not like there is a randomized control trial showing the difference


#9

[quote]Dr.P wrote:
I used a Roid calc to look at the difference between eod and Ed.

It looks like Ed I reach peak sooner and there is a more steady increase.

I have seen some threads about eod being not as good because of the shorter half life. In terms of reaching peak concentration and not dropping on the days I don’t pin. Makes sense but it’s not like there is a randomized control trial showing the difference [/quote]

the half-life of test prop is like 16 hours… you can go EOD, and a lot of guys do and still be successful. however, ED will result in the most stable blood levels…

another idea, would be to use it on days you work out (assuming you didn’t workout and took 1-2 days off a week)…


#10

16 hours? So 2 days should be more than enough before pct?

I don’t think pip and ed pins will be an issue. I guess I’ll find out. The Roid calc showed that it would be more stable Ed too.


#11

[quote]Dr.P wrote:

I have asin on hand as an AI and was planning to wait and add as needed in 12.5 mg increments.
[/quote]

what exactly do you mean by “wait and add as needed” ?


#12

I meant that I should pay attention for signs of increased estrogen production like bloat, itchy nips etc. and then add the AI accordingly instead of just adding at the start.

That way I can see if I really need it instead of just adding it without knowing how my body reacts.


#13

When you increase your levels testosterone your estrogen goes up - you need to use an AI to control this regardless of any sides you may or may not experience