I just wanted to share my results from the virgin cycle.
For those that were involved with the planning much thanks (P22, Bushy, etc). It took me a long ass time to finally get er done (I have been considering this cycle since I first logged on here in 2001).
I started out with 600mg/w Primo and 40mg/d OT…was going to run Primo for 12 weeks and OT for 8 at that dose.
I was happy with this to start. I was gaining weight/strength very fast but I started to get stomach problems and serious back pumps by about week 3. I blamed the OT for this and ended up taper the dose until cutting it out completely. I also got crazy swelling from the injections resulting in a week off from injecting in which I lost some weight. I am not sure what exactly the problem was. I don’t think I was injecting deep enough and I started really massaging the crap out of the site after. By the end of the cycle my technique had gotten really sloppy and it didn’t even matter though.
Worst part was that my nuts also started to shrink pretty bad and the libido started to fail by week 3-4 so by week 5 I added test and masteron. What a difference.
The next 6 weeks I played with the doses a bit and ended up finding a happy place at 400mg/w Primo, 400mg/w test, and 300mg/w Masteron. Very few sides at these doses and steady gains.
I leaned out quite a bit and got a lot denser with the test and masteron. The overall feel of the gear was much better. did start getting some sides such as acne etc but nothing too bad. The bloat and back pumps were totally gone though.
My training and diet were pretty much the same before and during cycle so I can atribute pretty much all the results to the gear. I worked out a bit harder and ate a bit more while on. The big difference was really that when I was training I was able to lift heavier and longer without fatigue and my recovery was amazing.
I was playing rugby during the cycle which was tough with the back pumps. The test, primo, mast combo was a dream because I got the same strength increase without the cramps and fatigue.
I ended up starting the Nolva at the last pin because I started to see some gyno symptoms (nipples felt real funny and started to look puffy so I didn’t wait until week 13).
Weight (weekly doses)
W0 220lbs ~18%bf (starting weight)
W1-4 230lbs ~17%bf (600primo, 280OT)
W5 228lbs ~17%bf (210OT)
W6-7 230lbs ~15%bf (450Test, 300Primo, 200Mast, 140OT)
W7-8 233lbs ~14%bf (300Test, 400Primo, 300Mast)
W9-10 235lbs ~14%bf (400Test, 400Primo, 300Mast)
W11 236lbs ~16%bf (280Nolva, Trib, Carbolin 19)
W12 233lbs ~16%bf (280Nolva, trib, Carbolin 19)
W13 233lbs ~17%bf (280Nolva, trib, Carbolin 19)
I am now at the end of week 13 and holding steady at 233lbs and seem to be keeping most of the muscle which is pretty friggin sweet. I have put on some fat but it is mostly because I ate like a mofo through the last 3 weeks to try to keep my gains.
My libido took another big dip after the last test shot and is just now starting to come back. my balls are starting to come back to life too, I felt like I had the first decent nut in years yesterday. This is very important because my gf still has no idea about the AAS use and was starting to wonder if something was wrong when it would take a minute to be up to the task.
Overall I can see that I have some more size in my shoulders, back, lats, and arms as well as legs (hamstrings mostly as I focused on them more because they were lagging the quads precycle). My neck is easily an inch bigger which is ok but is difficult because I have to wear a suit to work. I have now got a cool vein in my left biceps and shoulder that pop out now and then.
The most unexpected thing about this cycle is how angry Nolva makes me. I have way more rage from the Nolva than when I was running the highest dose of test. As a matter of fact I didn’t feel much from the test at all except that I felt good and strong. I am happily tapering the Nolva dose now down to 20mg/d for the next few weeks.
After about a month or two of maintenance training I am going to try to cut down a bit (maybe around new years).
It is been a pretty big roller coaster ride emotionally because I switched the doses a lot. Next time I plan to keep it much more even.
I will def run more test next time with a good anti-e. I would like to see what a dose in the 500-1000mg/w range would feel like. In retrospect I prob should have just run that for the first cycle. Maybe a little proviron towards the end.
I am already counting the days until the next cycle so I would say overall the experience was good. I doubt I will ever play another rugby season clean because of the recovery and strength benifits.
Hope you all can gain some benifit from my experience. Happy lifting.