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First Cycle, Input Welcomed


must say this is a great site and decided its time i create an account.
background im 6 feet tall, 225 at 16%bf, been lifting seriously the pass 5 years, this is going to be my first cycle, i am looking for lean gains, hoping to put on some lean mass while dropping the bf a bit. heres what i have planned:

weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg twice a week
weeks 8-12: Winstrol 50 mg a day
weeks 1-12: arimidex .25mg a day
weeks 1-12: hcg 350iu a day
weeks 13-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20 mgs everyday

let me know if theres anything you recommend changing, this is my first cycle and i want it to go smoothly. also if there is any other type of gear you would run instead to achieve the goals i have, adding mass and leaning out a bit.





Shit man, give us some time to answer! haha! It's a phenomenal cycle, really very impressive for a beginner and I think you'd get great results from it. There are only two things I would change and one of them's small: I would extend the winny to using it for 6 weeks, just because you safely can and you'll likely get something out've it.

The other thing is that I would not use HCG. I probably won't use it ever, just because it's not worth the risk to me. But, that aside, I don't think it's something a beginner should mess with right away. I didn't use any on my first cycle or any cycle since and I've found that my testes don't shrink at all and my recovery is easy. So why should I mess with it? You could be the same. And it's not even necessary for guys whose balls DO shrink. The less compounds you're on, the better. For your first cycle especially, you should constantly be monitoring how you're reacting to each compound. If you have too much going on, you won't know what could be giving you problems. There're a few guys you have REALLY messed themselves up using HCG. And with all the dosing opinions out there, it's obvious that it's still something not very well understood for using it like we do. I say ditch it...


Thanks for the response. I'll probably drop the HCG, and given that i'll have some extra winnie left over mine as well throw in another week of it.


The risk of what?

recovering faster?


only thing ide be worried about with hcg would be the chance of gyno, but the arimidex would take care of that correct?


Leydig cell desensitization.

Although it is clinically rare, it does occur in laboratory settings and there have been reports by members on other forums of it happening to them. What's your take on HCG, while we're on the subject? Help the OP out and I'm always up for learning more


Used properly, its perfectly fine to use on cycle.

250iu 2x per week.

Theres way too much information about hCG around for me to have to write anything about it


I just wanted to know your general opinion, thanks for answering bud. In the future I'll avoid speaking against it. I'll probably never use it, but I'm undecided on it now. Again thanks man. OP I'd still recommend against it for you now for the reasons I mentioned above. You should get to know how your body reacts for now at least


I use 250 iu twice a week on my HRT and my nuts remain normal, as they have done for almost 2 years now.

Bonez, do you run Hcg whilst on cycle? If so how much?

350 iu a day is much more than is necessary OP.

And yes, the Adex will prevent gyno from the Hcg. I also would run the Winny for 6 weeks.

Good luck..


yah i meant to say i would run 350iu twice per week, as it looks now i think im going to run:
weeks 1-10: Test E 250mg twice a week
weeks 7-12: Winstrol 50 mg a day
weeks 1-12: arimidex .25mg a day
weeks 1-12: hcg 250iu 2 times a week
weeks 13-16: Nolva 40/40/20/20 mgs everyday


no. but i dont stay on more than 8 weeks