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First Cycle Dianabol/Test


#1

Hey I have a guy that can get me anything for my first cycle, I am not to trusting of his recommendation of a 10/wk 1 gram of test a week with a Dianabol oral taken for the first 4 weeks, with clomid only as PCT. I am 25, been working out for 4 years 6’0 215 at 13-14% BF. I want to run a perfect or as close to perfect first cycle as I can, I was looking for any insight to a great first Dianabol/test cycle with PCT and if I need an AI like arimidex and approximate dosages for this as I have searched and got very mixed answers. My goal is as much muscle mass I can pack on without an extremely high risk plan. Thanks in advance for any tips or help.


#2

Anymore information I need to give I really just want to have a good cycle as many say the first is most important.


#3

1g Test and Dbol would be awesome but I’m not sure if i would go that high first time.

500-750mg test for 10-12 weeks
Dbol 40mg a day for up to 6 weeks. You could taper the dose up to 40mg over the first few weeks if you wanted to.

You will need to be using arimidex throughout the cycle and will need one SERM for PCT, either Nolvadex or Clomid. You could also consider using HCG during the cycle to prevent any chance of your balls shrinking and also make recovery easier.

Do a bit of reading, have a think about what you want to do and then post a cycle plan.


#4

I wouldn’t take 1g of test for a 1st cycle but you must understand that the risk of permanent damage to your endocrine system is similar whether it’s 250mg or 1g. This is genetic. If you are having doubts about whether you are dedicated to this lifestyle enough and are prepared to take that risk, I would suggest not to start cycling. Side effects are easily mitigated with adjusting of ai dosage.


#5

I have no doubts about cycling I just have read so many mixed opinions, permanent damage to endocrine system I have heard was pretty rare however, If such damage occurs will treatment such as TRT counteract damage?

Intended cycle plan
Week 1-12 Test 750mg
Week 1-6 Dbol 30-40-50-50-50-50mg ed
Week 1-17 Arimidex .5mg Eod tapering off week 17
Week 15-17 Clomid 50mg Ed

  • On hand Nolvadex at 20mg per day until signs of gyno diminish.
    I’m open to any suggestions or input thanks

#6

That will be a fun cycle - should experience rapid strength and size gains with the appropriate diet / training.

I would just do dbol week 1 @30mg week 2 @40mg then 50mg for the next 4 weeks.

Might be a good idea to have a box of Nolvadex on hand in case that Adex dose isn’t high enough for you. If you get a gyno flare up you can use the nolva whilst waiting for the adjusted adex dose to get in your system.


#7

I thought nolvadex was for PCT usually? Someone recommended letro for gyno flare-ups I will run Dbol as suggested then was going to ramp up to monitor for unwanted sides.


#8

Letro is very difficult to dose properly, whereas nolvadex is easy. And nolvadex does indeed reduce gyno, assuming you catch it early. I’ve used it successfully several times. I just use 20mg/day until I see it substantially reduced. Usually around 2 weeks.


#9

Ok thanks for that, will keep Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno at 20mg per day


#11

Hey guys I could use a little more help with my cycle I am thinking I am overdoing the arimidex dose at .5mg EOD I am having some common sides of low E what would be the best way to start to ramp raise my levels slowly 1/3 of a g eod? Currently I’m on 550mg of sustanon type test and 40mg day Dbol.