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First Cycle After Years On TRT. Advice?

Hallo people, new member here. Have a few questions, would appreciate some help.
A little history, 40 years old. Been seriously lifting for 20 years. Was always a guy “new” people asked are you “on steroids”. But I never touched any. I give credit here to having had the luck to learn about training, eating from the right people, good genetics and the will and discipline to implement what I learned and lead a gym lifestyle.

About 5 years ago, training/results didn’t go further the way I was used to. Thought, yeah, ok, it’s normal, I am not so young any more. Don’t want any more kids so I decided to do a first ever, test e only cycle as laid out here:
**- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
**- Week 1 to 12:hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
But as a “responsible adult”, had my blood work done before it, which revealed primary hypogonadism. Never did that cycle. Realized I had almost all low T symptoms since like forever, and only my iron will in every sense led to having the body I was almost always happy with. Waited a little after the shock diagnosis and started TRT 3 years ago.

I was lucky. Started with 62.5 mg test-e s.c. e3.5d and despite some advice against it, with hcg mo-we-fr each 250 iu. Daily cialis 5mg. No AI. Felt like a superman from the beginning, been never once tired in my life since then, never made a change in protocol. No side effects whatsoever. Boodwork always great, except for HCT-up to 48, but I never donated. No bruising, no shortness of breath.
Since then, in these 3 years, added probably >7kg of new muscle mass and have even less body fat now(I weigh 94 kg/180cm). Vascularity on a whole new level.

So now i’m thinking, the time is right. Wanna try it for 12 weeks, see what happens, maybe live a blast & cruise life if all goes well. Don’t wanna experiment with other compounds, simply wanna see how I do on test only for the first time. I of course understand, no PCT would be needed.

So my questions for starters, are:

  1. Since my 2 x 62.5 mg a week put me in high normal range(same with estrogen), do I simply inject 250 mg e3.5d i.m. and continue doing my normal trt s.c. injections at the same time-which would make it a “625 mg cycle/week” or should I do only i.m. 2 x 250?
  2. I would like to keep my hcg 3 x 250iu/week, hcg makes me feel awesome. Is there anything that would speak against that?
  3. Should I use arimidex as I already wrote, 0.25 mg eod and when yes, till when, end of week 14? Or leave it and see how I do without it?
    Have everything else on hand, in case of side effects.

Thank you very much.

  1. Sure, you can do that if you’d like. It’s me I just go straight 500/w because it’s easier, but a little more won’t kill you.
  2. No reason to stop what you’re doing with HCG.
  3. Take an AI as needed. If you know for a fact you need it at that dose of test then use the amount that works.

Welcome to the forums.

You could do this. But I don’t know why you would want to. Together with your HCG shots, you’d be jabbing yourself quite a bit each week and not getting any additional benefit from it. Better to just try 250mgs 2 x wk IM and leave out the subQ Test shots, IMO.

Speak against HCG making you feel awesome? Nope. That stuff is great! But, I will just caution you that it will make your nuts produce estrogen that cannot be controlled by Arimidex. So, a few weeks into the cycle, if you start to experience high estro sides, just know that there will be a considerable amount of estrogen in your blood that you cannot control with an AI. There is no guarantee that you will experience high E2 sides. This is just something to keep in mind. You may also be thinking, “I’m on HCG now. So isn’t the E2 already there?” Yes it is. But when you start injecting greater amounts of Testosterone, there will be a whole lot more. Will this be a problem for you? No one knows. You will have to wait and see.

See how you do without it first. Introduce only if necessary, in small amounts, until desired result achieved. Use as little as possible.

Thanks for your quick answers, guys.
I, of course didn’t start this thread having read nothing before that. Had years to read, but still had these questions and i’m sure i’ll have more as the time goes by.

My logic was, most of the guys who start cycling, with or without testing themselves before are in normal range. My trt puts me in the normal range and it seems that vast majority of ppl worldwide recommend test e only 500/week first cycle. That’s why I thought, my normal range, plus 2 i.m. shots=“standard” first cycle. I do not mind jabbing my belly at all, been a long time since i’ve been doing 5 sc shots a week, its a habbit and no trouble whatsoever. As you all know, there are people that recommend all sorts of different first cycles, more test, or dbol first for several weeks etc, “you first cycle should be the best” etc. That’s why I thought, well “extra 125mg” may bring some difference and i’m def. staying with test e only. I could be wrong, but that is of course why I am here.

" That stuff is great! But, I will just caution you that it will make your nuts produce estrogen that cannot be controlled by Arimidex. You may also be thinking, I’m on HCG now. So isn’t the E2 already there?”"
Hulk, you get me very confused here. I am actually thinking : I’m on HCG now. So isn’t the E2 ‘that cannot be controlled by AI’ already there? Meaning, guys on trt having to take an AI are taking it because they are prone to aromatising and not because of HCG, right? So AI on cycle would be needed(if needed) because of E sides that come from extra test all of a sudden? I will listen to you and start without it of course. Sorry if I sound confusing, just wann do things right.

Last question. If E sides happen, bloating, lots of water retention, mood swings for example I guess I wouldn’t mind. What would trouble me would be nipple sensitivity or lumps. I have easy access to all things that I could need. Even raloxifen. If gyno signs happen, what do I start: Nolvadex, Arimidex, Aromasin?

Thanks again and sorry for the trouble

Yes, it is. But if you start 500/wk Test, there will be a lot more, via aromitization.
I should have been more clear. Let me try again…

Right now you have X amount of E2 in your system. Some of it is being produced by your nuts and cannot be controlled with an AI. Some of it is being converted from Test into E2 via aromitization and could be controlled by an AI. Regardless of origin, the total amount is not a problem for you right now.

When you hop on 500(or 625) Test a week, the nut-produced E2 will still be there, but A LOT more will be made from T - E2 conversion. So more total E2. This may or may not be a problem for you. Some people have no issues with E2 off the charts. Some aren’t so lucky.

If E2 does become a problem for you, and you attempt to control it with an AI, it may work, but it may not be as effective as you had hoped, because you would still have all the E2 in your system that’s being produced by your nuts. I was just giving you something to keep in mind. On 500Test and 750HCG a week, i predict some high E2 sides mid-cycle. I hope I’m wrong and you have no issues.

Ideally, you would take none of the three. But since You state you would not mind any of the other E2 sides and that gyno, nipple sensitivity, and lumps are your only concern, take the Nolvadex.

Thanks again. I will start AI free and see what happens.
Now that i think about it, there is something else which could happen and which I would hate. Something I had a problem with before trt. ED and/due tol ack of libido. When I thought I am just the way I am. I realized that I am not the way I am, that it was all because of low T, and since 2 weeks after trt start, it all changed for the better. It is great since then.

If those problems come again on cycle, which I refuse to believe because cialis works so gut for me, I would wanna deal with it.
But I guess for that, I would need bloowdork asap so I/ we could diagnose the exact possible cause.