forget about doses or goals or whatever. i've got a buddy who's been training around 7-8 years, and has a respectable amount of mass and good strength. very knowledgeable guy, etc.
think test + tren will be too much for a first cycle? this is just from all the anecdote out there regarding the 'harshness' of tren .
if he runs it he'll run it properly and use an enanthate ester for both the tst and the tren, and will run it at about 450-600 mg test p/week and about 300 mg of tren p/week. dude weighs about 200 pounds.