Hey everyone
I’ve been thinking about joining the dark side for a while now and it is gonna happen in about 5 months after I graduate university and find a schedule that allows me to focus on bodybuilding with good consistency. I’ve been doing lotsa reading for the past year or so to put a good cycle and PCT together and the information on this forum were just invaluable. Llewellyn’s Anabolics 2009 was great too but some info were outdated and it lead to confusion.
A little background:
I’m 21, 260 lbs at the moment around 16-17% bf (the display pic is very recent), been training for 3 years seriously with acceptable and still expanding knowledge of training/nutrition (5 years at the gym). I would say 3 years is not much experience but the quality of those years balances that out (I hope). I used to be 200 lbs at around 22% bf so I’d say my progress isn’t that bad. The leanest I’ve been was last summer 235 lbs at around 10% bf so I don’t have a problem dieting and cutting even though I’m on the endomorph side.
I’m def not growing as fast as I did when I first started but I still have a little more room to develop naturally; however, I see many guys my age with much less discipline and dedication surpassing me and since I wanna become competitive I don’t wanna fall behind. I kinda regret why I didn’t start saucin earlier but oh well …
As for instability of endocrine system at this age, I went through puberty earlier than most peers and I guess my test levels are a little higher than avg (and also high SHBG levels hence the carpet I’ve got growin on my back) so I don’t think my system is really gonna go through any fluctuations anymore.
Currently I’m eating 4000-4500 cals on avg and just started training x2 a day. I train strictly BBing style (That’s what I wanna get into) with scary intensity and an unorthodox high volume but It’s been working for me so not gonna change that yet.
I have a coupla different ideas for my first cycle which basically revolve around test E and deca with a taper protocol for my PCT (What an amazing thread btw). It is very similar to what onion2 suggested in that thread.
The simplest version would be:
Week 1-4: Dbol @ 50mg/D
Week 1-12: Test E @ 2x250mg/W
Week 1-9(or)10: Deca @ 300mg/W *When would you suggest to end Deca? End of week 9 or 10?
Week 1-12: hCG @ 2x250IU/W
Week 1-12: Adex @ 0.25mg/D
Stasis:
Week 13-18: Test E @ 2x50mg/W
Week 13-15: Adex Taper down to 0.25mg/EOD discontinue at the end of week 15
Taper:
Week 19-24: Test E @ 2x(40/30/25/20/15/10)mg/W
Week 19-24: Nolva @ 20mg/D
Week 25-26: Tribulus @ 3g/D
Week 25-26: DAA @ 3g/D
Now first question would be about Nolvadex:
Guru posted an article form Anthony Roberts on the Newbie thread P.7 which said anyone suggesting doses of Nolva above 20mg is not reputable (something like that) but I see people suggesting the use of up to 60mg of it on the first days… Any thoughts on that? Is 20mg/D sufficient? Also would there be any point in taking Nolva @ 10mg/D for week 25-26?
Second question would be about the use of an AI on cycle:
Of course I will be having Letro and Caber on hand in case gyno or libido/prolactin problems break out but as for using an AI like Adex to manage E all throughput the cycle, doesn’t estrogen actually help increase size/strength? It also keeps the joints healthy and won’t let blood lipid levels go outa whack. I’m quoting Llewellyn’s book where he says using AI’s on cycle will dampen the anabolic results. Can anyone explain that please?
I could add Proviron to the cycle as well:
Week 1-4: Dbol @ 50mg/D
Week 1-12: Test E @ 2x250mg/W
Week 1-12: Proviron @ 50mg/D
Week 1-9(or)10: Deca @ 300mg/W *When would you suggest to end Deca? End of week 9 or 10?
Week 1-12: hCG @ 2x250IU/W
Week 1-12: Adex @ 0.25mg/D
Stasis:
Week 13-18: Test E @ 2x50mg/W
Week 13-15: Proviron @ 25mg/D
Week 13-15: Adex Taper down to 0.25mg/EOD discontinue at the end of week 15
Taper:
Week 19-24: Test E @ 2x(40/30/25/20/15/10)mg/W
Week 19-24: Nolva @ 20mg/D
Week 25-26: Tribulus @ 3g/D
Week 25-26: DAA @ 3g/D
*Should I take less Adex when Proviron is added? Since it acts as a mild Anti-E?
The big question:
What do you guys think about this cycle for a first timer? The doses might seem too low to some people but I’m sure Bushy and Schwarzenegger discussed how less can be more somewhere on the forum and I really liked the sound of that.
Also this is a very standard cycle that lasts a full 26 weeks (6 months exact) including PCT. I have a feeling FuriousGeorge is a big fan of this cycle length; but I’ve read it a couple times recently that people (Bonez???) preferred shorter cycles with higher doses (8 weeks instead of 12) due to better results and recovery. What are your thoughts on that? I figured my test taper is very gradual and hCG is also incorporated in the cycle so I shouldn’t have problems with recovery.
Sorry for the long message I tried to include as much detail necessary and make my questions as clear as possible. Any advice/suggestion is much appreciated.