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FINiBARs on a Diet

For somebody trying to lose weight (not me), would you eat before cardio?

Doesn’t make any sense. Your question that is.

What is going to determine whether or not you lose bodyfat is your overall energy expenditure vs your energy intake at the end of the day. Eating a FINiBAR before you do cardio or during training or right before you go to sleep for that matter does not make a difference. Like I said…if it fits into your overall calorie/macronutrient needs for you to be in a deficit and lose weight…you can eat w.e. the fuck you want dude.

Before anyone twists my words…I’m not saying eat w.e. you want to the point of neglecting your health needs… i.e. don’t neglect getting your fiber needs and your micros.

Before cardio? No. Before or after lifting? Sure, if it fits your macros… which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.

[quote]hit the gym wrote:
For somebody trying to lose weight (not me), would you eat before cardio?[/quote]

I would say a serving of MAG-10 would be best prior to cardio when fat loss is the goal. Although, i am curious, people still do traditional cardio?

ok facko

woman trying to lose weight.

the rest of the day she is on low-carb. veggies, protein, good fats and a little fruit. we don’t know the “macros” (and most people don’t), but she is on negative energy balance.

[quote]hit the gym wrote:
ok facko

woman trying to lose weight.

the rest of the day she is on low-carb. veggies, protein, good fats and a little fruit. we don’t know the “macros” (and most people don’t), but she is on negative energy balance.[/quote]

If she is in a caloric deficit at the end of each 24 hour period…and respect to protein is given…i.e. she’s getting sufficient protein needs and hitting her essential fatty acid needs…then, the rest of the calories (within that deficit) can be filled up with either of the energy macros…or even more protein if that’s your preference. It’s really splitting hairs to worry about it if you are in an overall deficit.

Whether she eats the finibar before cardio, after cardio or w.e. …if she expends more calories than she consumed…she will lose weight.

The only time I can imagine someone worrying about eating carbs at certain times or timing certain kinds of meals at certain times or trying to keep “insulin quiet” would be in a situation where someone is going from already lean to striated glutes lean. Or, they have some stubborn fat areas and may benefit from keeping insulin quiet and doing LISS in the glucagon dominant state.

Just focus on remaining within a deficit while meeting protein needs and EFA needs…fill in the rest out of preference.

Facko got it right, just maintain negative energy balance and your friend should be fine. I’ve lost body fat eating the stuff that passes for Burgers from McDonalds, just counting the rest of my macros, that fit in on my workout days (3 days a week). Just have to make sure you are burning more than you are consuming.

[quote]hit the gym wrote:

woman trying to lose weight.

the rest of the day she is on low-carb. veggies, protein, good fats and a little fruit. we don’t know the “macros” (and most people don’t), but she is on negative energy balance.[/quote]

If she’s doing typical steady state stuff, there’s no need to throw extra carbs in before a cardio session if her approach is ‘low’ carb, or even a ketogenic diet. If she has some carbs in her daily #s, then placing some before training, whether steady state, or interval work will provide some benefit.

Although I always feel that carbs before interval work allows me to work harder, thus higher intensity of work -> greater EPOC (I can’t prove this with studies, but it makes sense to me).

On the other hand, as the body in more restful states (sleeping, or during prolonged stretched between meals) tends to run on more fatty acids, there could also be some argument for not eating carbs before east, steady state work in hopes of burning through more fats as energy substrates.

Fat loss is a little bit more complicated than just creating an energy deficit. Some ideas look great on paper but don’t carry over in the real world. Body composition changes are one of those instances where you’re juggling so many variables, that anyone who says that a calorie is a calorie is drastically oversimplifying matters. You’re trying to maintain one type of body tissue (muscle), while reducing another (fat). Not as simple to do as just following the ‘eat less’ advice -lol.

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thx guys good answers.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Although I always feel that carbs before interval work allows me to work harder, thus higher intensity of work -> greater EPOC (I can’t prove this with studies, but it makes sense to me).[/quote]

x1000

Hmmm actually everything Stu posted is gold, let’s just see it again:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

If she’s doing typical steady state stuff, there’s no need to throw extra carbs in before a cardio session if her approach is ‘low’ carb, or even a ketogenic diet. If she has some carbs in her daily #s, then placing some before training, whether steady state, or interval work will provide some benefit.

Although I always feel that carbs before interval work allows me to work harder, thus higher intensity of work -> greater EPOC (I can’t prove this with studies, but it makes sense to me).

On the other hand, as the body in more restful states (sleeping, or during prolonged stretched between meals) tends to run on more fatty acids, there could also be some argument for not eating carbs before east, steady state work in hopes of burning through more fats as energy substrates.

Fat loss is a little bit more complicated than just creating an energy deficit. Some ideas look great on paper but don’t carry over in the real world. Body composition changes are one of those instances where you’re juggling so many variables, that anyone who says that a calorie is a calorie is drastically oversimplifying matters. You’re trying to maintain one type of body tissue (muscle), while reducing another (fat). Not as simple to do as just following the ‘eat less’ advice -lol.

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no

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
no[/quote]

Lololol… useless

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]

no point sorry.

[quote]facko wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]

no point sorry.[/quote]

thank you for contributing your insight. much appreciated.

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]facko wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]

no point sorry.[/quote]

thank you for contributing your insight. much appreciated.[/quote]

This is my insight. There is no point to going into keto other than to make things harder on yourself. Most guys I know…in fact, ALL of the guys I know who have had the MOST successful preps and unreal conditioning like Nunez, Hyaduck etc…include a good amount of carbohydrates in their diets ALL the way up until show time.

The main key is being in the proper caloric deficit for your fat loss goals …hitting your protein needs, your EFA needs and filling in the rest of the calories you got with the energy macros you see fit.

I find carbs are better included than excluded for the purposes of training performance and to keep your metabolism firing in a healthy way while in a relatively rough deficit assuming you are prepping…it will be a pretty hefty deficit towards the end.

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]
it’s fucking stupid dude. Sure you’ll lose weight faster, but this isn’t a race. I’d rather enjoy carbs and lose fat, even if it takes a bit longer. Not only that but there is a much smaller risk of losing muscle, AND your intensity/performance won’t got to shit in the gym which is ALWAYS a plus.

edit: not to mention your muscles look fuller when eating some carbs, and that’s always a good thing! Mainly because it’s summer and I want to look good at teh beach

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]
it’s fucking stupid dude. Sure you’ll lose weight faster, but this isn’t a race. I’d rather enjoy carbs and lose fat, even if it takes a bit longer. Not only that but there is a much smaller risk of losing muscle, AND your intensity/performance won’t got to shit in the gym which is ALWAYS a plus.

edit: not to mention your muscles look fuller when eating some carbs, and that’s always a good thing! Mainly because it’s summer and I want to look good at teh beach [/quote]

Ghey is not even a word!! You don’t like it, which is fine, but why can’t you express yourself intelligently instead of sounding like a moron?

Nutrition changes all the time (remember the high carb diet of the '80?). AD is not a bad diet and it is still very good for medical reasons. Besides, eating bacon all at long is kind of nice.

[quote]JFG wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:
which it should if you aren’t doing severe carb restrictions (i.e. keto), which are fucking GheY.[/quote]

whats wrong with keto?[/quote]
it’s fucking stupid dude. Sure you’ll lose weight faster, but this isn’t a race. I’d rather enjoy carbs and lose fat, even if it takes a bit longer. Not only that but there is a much smaller risk of losing muscle, AND your intensity/performance won’t got to shit in the gym which is ALWAYS a plus.

edit: not to mention your muscles look fuller when eating some carbs, and that’s always a good thing! Mainly because it’s summer and I want to look good at teh beach [/quote]

Ghey is not even a word!! You don’t like it, which is fine, but why can’t you express yourself intelligently instead of sounding like a moron?

Nutrition changes all the time (remember the high carb diet of the '80?). AD is not a bad diet and it is still very good for medical reasons. Besides, eating bacon all at long is kind of nice.[/quote]
don’t you call me a moran, phaggot.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Although I always feel that carbs before interval work allows me to work harder, thus higher intensity of work -> greater EPOC (I can’t prove this with studies, but it makes sense to me).[/quote]

x1000

Hmmm actually everything Stu posted is gold, let’s just see it again:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

If she’s doing typical steady state stuff, there’s no need to throw extra carbs in before a cardio session if her approach is ‘low’ carb, or even a ketogenic diet. If she has some carbs in her daily #s, then placing some before training, whether steady state, or interval work will provide some benefit.

Although I always feel that carbs before interval work allows me to work harder, thus higher intensity of work -> greater EPOC (I can’t prove this with studies, but it makes sense to me).

On the other hand, as the body in more restful states (sleeping, or during prolonged stretched between meals) tends to run on more fatty acids, there could also be some argument for not eating carbs before east, steady state work in hopes of burning through more fats as energy substrates.

Fat loss is a little bit more complicated than just creating an energy deficit. Some ideas look great on paper but don’t carry over in the real world. Body composition changes are one of those instances where you’re juggling so many variables, that anyone who says that a calorie is a calorie is drastically oversimplifying matters. You’re trying to maintain one type of body tissue (muscle), while reducing another (fat). Not as simple to do as just following the ‘eat less’ advice -lol.

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Lol :slight_smile:

S