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Hey Whopper clomid is not needed.I just finished a six week cycle with a gain of twelve pounds.From what I’ve read this is about the norm.Good luck.

Thanks for the reply. I know I sound like a friggin chicken shit…but I have been used to wasting my money on supps for years with nothing doing crap for me. Now I have andro and nandro and I am actually having RESULTS. So now…like any male…lol…I am getting greedy and wanting MORE…but I am also getting worried…so thats why I ask. I appreciate the candor, and am looking forward to trying this “stack” Thanks again bro!

Although you would not need a estrogen antagonist, clomid, for fina you might want a progesterone antaganist, winstrol. Some think that this is not needed, but if you want to be safe…

Hya…thanks, but if you read my other post, I am trying to break myself into this gently…and fina is as far as I am willing to go. Getting winny…well if I go that far I might as well cross the line all the way and stop messing with finasol…just get the real gear. I do honestly appreciate the advice tho.

The ironic thing is that Trenbolone, is not only 4 times stronger than test, but it is also considered to be one of the most toxic steroids. Isn’t funny that its a transition drug…

I’ve done some searching on some of the side-effects of fina and have read that it is horrible on the kidneys. Is the dosage in the finasol mix high or low in regards to effects on the kidneys? Are there any other side effects - balding, etc? Any long term side-effects? Thanks for any and all replys!

Trenbolone is not hard on the kidneys,nor is it hepatotoxic since it isn’t 17aa.All steroids can cause balding ,especially in vulnerable individuals and I think tren is pretty bad ,however not as bad as test.

??? Where did you get your info Mike

Bill Roberts said, “There used to be a myth that trenbolone was “hard on the kidneys.” I have found no indication in the scientific literature of
particular kidney toxicity with trenbolone. I know a number of users, at doses of 50-100 mg/day, who have experienced no
problems. It seems to me that the claims that have been made were from athletes stacking an incredible amount of drugs, and
how the blame could have fairly been laid at trenbolone (actually at Parabolan, not trenbolone acetate) is not clear.” Brock has said about the same thing, I think.

Thanks for all the replys so far. For me andro showed me little gains…just made me nasty. Nandro gave me about 8 to 12 lbs…so that is what I am mixing the fina with…this is a class one and two stack then right? Nandro is a class two the same as andro…correct? Has anyone done the fina with the nandro?

I , just like TEK, got the kidney info from Bill Roberts writing’s.

Thanks for the replys regarding the side-effects. I understand that all steroids can cause balding in individuals, but would like to keep a full head of hair (a trade-off I suppose). I have no family history of thinning/balding hair. I also understand that a lot has been attributed to TA in terms of its affects on the kidney, but realize it may be because of the other AS in the stacks.

Just for your info.- My 2nd cycle of finasol,I got an aching in my right testicle,started using clomid right away, the dull aching went away. This cycle- I was on for 3 weeks-started using clomid on the second week-absolutly no problems. I like Brock’s thinking- wouldn’t do a cycle without