[quote]Airtruth wrote:
dankid wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
A person that can’t do one pull up, your going to try to make them do pull-ups? rather than curls and lat pull downs?
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No, I would hve them do pulldowns, assisted pullups, and Rows (BW, Cable, 1-arm) They would probably have a vertical pull day, and a horizontal pull day. For person that cant do pullups, pulldowns and assisted pullups are going to be the two best exercises. Obviously they wouldnt do an exercise they cant do. Thats the basis of them not being able to do it. But the main thing is I wouldn’t have them doing straight arm pulldowns, curls, rear delts, etc.
Of coures training someone, you’d probably throw in some curls and rear delts, because that is what people want to do, but these would come at the end if at all. And if it was me, or a person that wanted to know what was best, i’d tell them to skill the isolation work.
As for the OP bringing up O-lifts. On these forums you’ll find few people that ever do any o-lifts for size. I agree that you can build muscle with them. But there are generally some changes that need to be made to make them for size.
Breaking the lift up is a good idea, and performing the simpler versions is as well.
So a hang power clean will work.
DB snatches
Push press
Front squat
Other than those lifts, the conventional bb’ing lifts are going to be better for size due to there ease of learning, TUT, and the amount of muscular damage possible. If you look at the o-lifters that are big, they are freaking strong. If you want to build a 400+ lb clean to build your shoulders you can. But it would be much easier to get your bench up to 300+ and shoulder press to 200+. It depends how you want to do it, and what you are trying to accomplish. Im a long limbed lifter myself, so exlposive lifting tends to be better than heavier lifts. So for stuff like traps and shoulders, I choose cleans and Push press, over shrugs and shoulder press.