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FDA Admits Mercury Fillings May Be Harmful

This is big news, as the mainstream medicine has been saying for years that mercury (silver) fillings are safe. Looks like some are changing their mind:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080605/hl_nm/fda_dentalfillings_dc_2

If you want to read more about mercury detoxification that I am doing, go to this thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2071849&pageNo=0

another reason why i’m happy to have only 1-2 fillings in my lifetime (almost no cavities ever)

Sigh. I have a dozen fillings. One broke recently, none of them were very well laid(cheap, family friend dentist, I didn’t know any better). Up until about 3 months ago I had never even heard of the conceivable possibility that dental fillings could have adverse effects on general health. While I cannot say I have experienced the symptoms of high mercury levels, that is only because I cannot confirm that whatever symptoms I have seen are at all related. Seems like an awfully big IF to draw those two together.

But, maybe this is why my eyelid keeps twitching.

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Sigh. I have a dozen fillings. One broke recently, none of them were very well laid(cheap, family friend dentist, I didn’t know any better). Up until about 3 months ago I had never even heard of the conceivable possibility that dental fillings could have adverse effects on general health. While I cannot say I have experienced the symptoms of high mercury levels, that is only because I cannot confirm that whatever symptoms I have seen are at all related. Seems like an awfully big IF to draw those two together.

But, maybe this is why my eyelid keeps twitching.

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Unless you are pregnant, a fetus, or about to turn into a fetus, this warning doesn’t even apply to you.

Most of the mercury is pushed out of the filling during the act of condensing the filling material into the tooth.

I personally feel this is overstated due to the lawsuit. However, many dental practices don’t even use amalgam anymore. Hardened fillings shouldn’t be an issue at all. They are semi-solid during placement and begin to harden within the first 5-10min after placement.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
Sigh. I have a dozen fillings. One broke recently, none of them were very well laid(cheap, family friend dentist, I didn’t know any better). Up until about 3 months ago I had never even heard of the conceivable possibility that dental fillings could have adverse effects on general health. While I cannot say I have experienced the symptoms of high mercury levels, that is only because I cannot confirm that whatever symptoms I have seen are at all related. Seems like an awfully big IF to draw those two together.

But, maybe this is why my eyelid keeps twitching.

Unless you are pregnant, a fetus, or about to turn into a fetus, this warning doesn’t even apply to you.

Most of the mercury is pushed out of the filling during the act of condensing the filling material into the tooth.

I personally feel this is overstated due to the lawsuit. However, many dental practices don’t even use amalgam anymore. Hardened fillings shouldn’t be an issue at all. They are semi-solid during placement and begin to harden within the first 5-10min after placement.[/quote]

Good thing fetuses don’t have teeth.

Uh, fetuses don’t have teeth, right?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Unless you are pregnant, a fetus, or about to turn into a fetus, this warning doesn’t even apply to you.

Most of the mercury is pushed out of the filling during the act of condensing the filling material into the tooth.

I personally feel this is overstated due to the lawsuit. However, many dental practices don’t even use amalgam anymore. Hardened fillings shouldn’t be an issue at all. They are semi-solid during placement and begin to harden within the first 5-10min after placement.[/quote]

Not exactly. The warning should be taken by all people but the FDA and ADA aren’t thrilled about saying “oh yeah sorry those things are toxic to everyone and we should have pulled those things from market years ago” instead they say weeelllll…maybe its bad but only for fetuses and pregnant women. BULLSHIT ALERT. Mercury is toxic to ALL human beings…period.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
Not exactly. The warning should be taken by all people but the FDA and ADA aren’t thrilled about saying “oh yeah sorry those things are toxic to everyone and we should have pulled those things from market years ago” instead they say weeelllll…maybe its bad but only for fetuses and pregnant women. BULLSHIT ALERT. Mercury is toxic to ALL human beings…period.[/quote]

That’s right that mercury is toxic to everyone. VERY TOXIC. And I am just waiting to see how the ADA responds to this.

To the point that the mercury in amalgams hardens, etc, etc. Mercury has vapor pressure. It doesn’t matter if it’s solid or liquid.
I think the below video makes the point nicely:

http://iaomt.org/videos/

[quote]entheogens wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Not exactly. The warning should be taken by all people but the FDA and ADA aren’t thrilled about saying “oh yeah sorry those things are toxic to everyone and we should have pulled those things from market years ago” instead they say weeelllll…maybe its bad but only for fetuses and pregnant women. BULLSHIT ALERT. Mercury is toxic to ALL human beings…period.

That’s right that mercury is toxic to everyone. VERY TOXIC. And I am just waiting to see how the ADA responds to this.

To the point that the mercury in amalgams hardens, etc, etc. Mercury has vapor pressure. It doesn’t matter if it’s solid or liquid.
I think the below video makes the point nicely:

http://iaomt.org/videos/

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I didn’t say mercury hardens. I wrote that most of the mercury is pushed out during the process of condensing into the tooth. You forget that this is my profession. The vapors are also released during that condensing of materials.

That means the greatest risk is to the dentist. You also have to realize that comparable lasting substitutes for amalgam (Composite fillings) have just recently (within the last 20 years or so) reached a level comparable to amalgam for tooth restoration.

No one with old amalgam fillings that hardened years ago needs to be concerned with this unless you are simply replacing the fillings for more esthetic tooth colored fillings.

And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.

I don’t use amalgam currently and, like I wrote before, many clinics are slowly phasing out the use of it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.
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Learn something new every day.

Are any of you really that worried about the toxic effects of your fillings? Understand that you will die some day. Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

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I take it you’ve never had a cyanide capsule installed in a false molar.

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

I take it you’ve never had a cyanide capsule installed in a false molar. [/quote]

Or C4 moldings remotely detonated…

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.
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And if Daddy would have erupted into the oral cavity then the fetus wouldn’t exist.

But it will prevent me from getting hawt abz.

[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.

Learn something new every day.

Are any of you really that worried about the toxic effects of your fillings? Understand that you will die some day. Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

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UNfortunately you are completely false on this one and your statement is akin to telling people that creatine will wreck their Kidneys–totally off-base. I see people day in and day out that have major health challenges stemming from the teeth whether it is faulty dental work or just that they haven’t addressed chronic infections in the teeth. Dental infections are the only infection that the body can’t resolve on its own (i.e. just your immune system).

It will probably take someone close to you suffering for you to understand this point and just how wrong your position is.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.

Learn something new every day.

Are any of you really that worried about the toxic effects of your fillings? Understand that you will die some day. Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

UNfortunately you are completely false on this one and your statement is akin to telling people that creatine will wreck their Kidneys–totally off-base. I see people day in and day out that have major health challenges stemming from the teeth whether it is faulty dental work or just that they haven’t addressed chronic infections in the teeth. Dental infections are the only infection that the body can’t resolve on its own (i.e. just your immune system).

It will probably take someone close to you suffering for you to understand this point and just how wrong your position is.[/quote]

You are relating a dental infection to amalgam fillings?

This is worse than comparing marijuana to heroin and cocaine.

You are right about how the body deals with dental infections. However, the relation here to the process of filling a tooth is ridiculous.

This is like relying on scare tactic sites on aspartame for your knowledge of it.

It might be best to actually ask a professional who actually DOES those types of fillings or has in the past. That would erase the idea that mercury is just being lodged into teeth.

Amalgam is a combination of materials that allow the doctor to manipulate it for a short time as they pack it into the tooth prep before it begins to harden.

It is that stage that most of the mercury is pushed OUT of the tooth and suctioned. That is why it is easy to manipulate as the tooth is being filled. Otherwise, there would be no way to actually fill the tooth efficiently. After that, the filling begins to harden, meeting its initial set in about 5-10min (or less).

Again, there were NO effective LASTING alternatives until relatively recently.

Beyond that, none of this erases the fact that oral hygiene of the patient is the greatest importance in the first place.

I can’t even tell you the number of patients who get decay underneath old fillings and blame the previous dentist for it…as if the last 10 years it was in their mouth, their lack of brushing had nothing to do with it.

How worse would peoples dental health be if we did not have mercury in fillings for the past few decades? I suspect they have done more good than harm but if we have better alternatives we should use them.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
How worse would peoples dental health be if we did not have mercury in fillings for the past few decades? I suspect they have done more good than harm but if we have better alternatives we should use them.[/quote]

Which is the take home point. I wish some could see just how poorly most people take care of their teeth. Without amalgam, we would all be British.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Without amalgam, we would all be British.

LOL, what does this mean? Is it a ref to poor UK dental health?

I have zero fillings, but appreciate that even gold fillings, which are supposedly inert, may fuck with ones nervous system, creating weakness and general sub-optimal performance.

Bushy[/quote]

Very true. EVERYTHING that involves ANY type of surgical act involves risk of some sort.

Are people choosing to go toothless because they want to avoid amalgam fillings?

Most people don’t take care of their teeth anywhere near the level they THINK they do.

Also, composite fillings are also composed of plastic components…so I guess the “fear estrogen in plastic” people will be next.

Soon, no one will have any teeth due to scare tactics.

[quote]storey420 wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Professor X wrote:
And to the other post, yes, by the third trimester, fetuses have teeth. They just haven’t erupted yet into the oral cavity.

Learn something new every day.

Are any of you really that worried about the toxic effects of your fillings? Understand that you will die some day. Also understand your dental work will have nothing to do with your demise.

UNfortunately you are completely false on this one and your statement is akin to telling people that creatine will wreck their Kidneys–totally off-base. I see people day in and day out that have major health challenges stemming from the teeth whether it is faulty dental work or just that they haven’t addressed chronic infections in the teeth. Dental infections are the only infection that the body can’t resolve on its own (i.e. just your immune system).

It will probably take someone close to you suffering for you to understand this point and just how wrong your position is.[/quote]

I was alluding to amalgam fillings, not dental infections. In both cases, however, I suggest you both brush your teeth, floss regularly, and drink less Kool-Aid. Stuff rots your teeth, ya know.

Is that surgery spoken of above the new kind where if you are missing a tooth they have an artificial duplicate “installed” into the gum/bone/jaw as a kind of permanent denture… like a new tooth?

I saw that done in a Doctor’s office when I was in Germany…

Sorry for the Hijack…