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Fat Post-Workout?

There was a give-way recently before a triathlon and I got packets of CytoMax Recovery which is 20/26/18 C/P/F. I was surprised to find Fat in a recovery mix. Low carbs can be easily upped by some malto, but high fat content surprised me.

Any explanation?

Almost a 1:1 carb to fat ratio?

I’d like to here an more experienced opinion on it too…

If I remember correctly, CytoSport claims to have a “fast digesting” protein that is mainly used for energy. Maybe that’s what they put in this mix?

I remember Lonnie Lowery and Dave Barr speaking towards some findings that show a SMALL amount of dietary fat post-workout might aid in the recovery process, but both agreed more research was needed.

18g seems a little on the high side to me, but who knows.

That does seem pretty high. I mean fat in your meal an hour or so after a workout is one thing but interfering with the uptake of carbohydrates post-workout seems useless. Still, you would think there would be some rationale there…

[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
That does seem pretty high. I mean fat in your meal an hour or so after a workout is one thing but interfering with the uptake of carbohydrates post-workout seems useless. Still, you would think there would be some rationale there…[/quote]

That’s exactly how I though so I asked the guy who handed out the freebies, but he was useless. They do claim that their fats are “fast-digesting”. Here is what I found regarding fat in Muscle Milk which seem to be the exact same fats:

"Lean Lipids

Leading scientists rethinking the role of fats in increasing lean muscle growth have shown all fats are not created equal. The type of fat determines whether you use it for muscle energy or store it as body fat! Lean Lipids used in Muscle Milk promote fat loss in 3 ways:

  1. MCTs, the predigested fatless fats, are more likely burned for muscle energy and heat than stored as fat. 20% of human milk and Muscle Milk lipids are MCTs. MCTs also promote positive nitrogen balance.
  2. Long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids are also less likely to be stored as fat. We use special enzyme engineering to make these lipids even more functional, promoting anti-inflammatory effects and enhanced mineral retention.
  3. Recent research reveals calories with engineered lipids, taken before and during workouts, promote leanness. It is thought that these calories are used for workout energy, with less deposited as fat. So while Muscle Milk may contain slightly more fat than older ultra-carb products, our Lean-Lipids are designed to help you get lean."

[quote]skor wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
That does seem pretty high. I mean fat in your meal an hour or so after a workout is one thing but interfering with the uptake of carbohydrates post-workout seems useless. Still, you would think there would be some rationale there…

That’s exactly how I though so I asked the guy who handed out the freebies, but he was useless. They do claim that their fats are “fast-digesting”. Here is what I found regarding fat in Muscle Milk which seem to be the exact same fats:

"Lean Lipids

Leading scientists rethinking the role of fats in increasing lean muscle growth have shown all fats are not created equal. The type of fat determines whether you use it for muscle energy or store it as body fat! Lean Lipids used in Muscle Milk promote fat loss in 3 ways:

  1. MCTs, the predigested fatless fats, are more likely burned for muscle energy and heat than stored as fat. 20% of human milk and Muscle Milk lipids are MCTs. MCTs also promote positive nitrogen balance.
  2. Long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids are also less likely to be stored as fat. We use special enzyme engineering to make these lipids even more functional, promoting anti-inflammatory effects and enhanced mineral retention.
  3. Recent research reveals calories with engineered lipids, taken before and during workouts, promote leanness. It is thought that these calories are used for workout energy, with less deposited as fat. So while Muscle Milk may contain slightly more fat than older ultra-carb products, our Lean-Lipids are designed to help you get lean."[/quote]

Shenanigans.

MCT’s are easily converted to energy and are utilized differently in the body to other fats, therefore what they are saying makes sense. P+C+F are fine for recovery, everyone here is too caught up with the P+F and P+C saga.

It’s just marketing. They need to be different (read: “better”) than everyone else. There’s not likely any real thought or rationale behind it (despite any claims to the contrary).

Remember that in this industry, marketability comes before efficacy.

[quote]David Barr wrote:
It’s just marketing. They need to be different (read: “better”) than everyone else. There’s not likely any real thought or rationale behind it (despite any claims to the contrary).

Remember that in this industry, marketability comes before efficacy.[/quote]

I understand this very well. However, sometimes new approaches can be found . Whatever the search I did said that there is not data showing that “lean lipids” are beneficial post-workout. Are there any negative effects? Do “lean lipids” slow down absorption?