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Failure Question


@ CT: Reading a interview whit Brad Schoenfeld, he talks about "inroading" (i.e. a degree of fatigue experienced by the working fibers). He thinks that inroading can lead to a greater hypertrophy, at least up to a certain point.
So his thougths on this are go to fatigue without overtraining (e.g. heavy negatives/drop sets)

What es tour take on this? Still avoid fatigue?

Thanks a lot


Inroading is not a new concept. It was first coined by Arthur Jones in the 70s. It has been mentioned on and off by some people over the years, never really becoming a popular idea.

Muscle masse is stimulated when the muscle's cell signaling pathways for growth are activated... in other words there is a series of chemical messengers that send the message to initiate the muscle-building process. Some of these pathways can be stimulated via time under load. So indirectly, fatigue can activate some chemical response.

But it is VERY reductive to say that fatigue is the stimulus for growth.

While sometimes you might get the idea that I am not someone who recommend fatiguing the muscles, that is not true. Sure I once said "chase performance, not fatigue", but that is because if you train at a high level, you WILL induce a level of fatigue in the muscles and that most people are lacking in performance/intense contractions rather than fatigue accumulation.


Ramp/density (layer) seems to initiate muscle building messages optimally. Seems like you hit all the bases (ramp up nervous system heavy 1-3RM, large work done at high intensity [density], and then occlusion/higher rep TUT stuff with loaded carries and ring work). Only thing missing is the traditional 8-12RM straight sets to failure...which incidentally is the standard training style. But I get way better results with layer so not complaining (:


If I believed, or if it were my experience that the addition of the "traditional" 8-12 scheme would have made the system more effective, I would have added it. I never include anything that doesn't significantly improve the program and from experience adding that rep scheme would not have led to any improvements to the system.