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Everything About DNP (2,4-Dinitrophenol)

#74

[quote]Big Jay wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
Ok well pretty judging by your liberal approach (which quite frankly DISGUSTS me) anything i said is going in one ear and out the other. That’s fine because in the end, those who call a spade a spade are the ones who make progress and end up on top.

What?

So you are disgusted by liberalism and you personally believe that those who insult other people make progress and end up on top?

Please clarify this so that I know for definite to ignore anything you ever write in this forum, thanks.

BBB

I actually would prefer if you ignore me.

Please, by all means, nothing would make me happier.

[/quote]

You are allowed to leave now.

#75

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
Ok well pretty judging by your liberal approach (which quite frankly DISGUSTS me) anything i said is going in one ear and out the other. That’s fine because in the end, those who call a spade a spade are the ones who make progress and end up on top.

What?

So you are disgusted by liberalism and you personally believe that those who insult other people make progress and end up on top?

Please clarify this so that I know for definite to ignore anything you ever write in this forum, thanks.

BBB

I actually would prefer if you ignore me.

Please, by all means, nothing would make me happier.

You are allowed to leave now. [/quote]

Don’t you have swim practice to go to or something?

#76

[quote]Big Jay wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Big Jay wrote:
Ok well pretty judging by your liberal approach (which quite frankly DISGUSTS me) anything i said is going in one ear and out the other. That’s fine because in the end, those who call a spade a spade are the ones who make progress and end up on top.

What?

So you are disgusted by liberalism and you personally believe that those who insult other people make progress and end up on top?

Please clarify this so that I know for definite to ignore anything you ever write in this forum, thanks.

BBB

I actually would prefer if you ignore me.

Please, by all means, nothing would make me happier.

You are allowed to leave now.

Don’t you have swim practice to go to or something?

[/quote]

You have shitty bicep insertions…

Would you like to continue making pointless posts? Or are you just going to leave?

#77

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#78

Another update.

Today just bought some dianabols…anyway happens this guy knows his shit well it seems. He has DNP. Offered me some, but then when we discussed that shit he told me ‘upon second thought no, don’t do it. Me myself don’t have the balls to run that shit’. The guy is pretty big and seems knowledgeable.

He offered me to inject me with Helios (Clenbuterol/Yohimbine) for ‘fat spot reduction’ as he said. I told him that I’m missing workout routines cause of school, and my diet ain’t 100% as it should be at the moment. I’m not taking any of that shit until I’m 100% dedicated. I’d be a lazy fucker if I did that.

But upon second thought…What about Helios. Any users? DNP vs Helios. Toughts?

Also Big Jay, man you have an opinion which basically is ‘DNP cons are greater then its pros’. Fine, we all respect that. What we do NOT respect is the 'I’m better than you and don’t want to share info…which later you did to some certain extent. If you dont want to share info, don’t post man. easy.

Personally, excuse me sir, but couldn’t give a flying fuck of any of your posts if you’re not willing to help other bastards that are subject to misinformation. You might be better than others in your little world Mr IFBB, but when it comes to be a real man and help others, hell, you do fail fella. You said that you did mistakes yourself and you have fellow IFBB friends. These famous friends, lets call them so, have pretty much contributed to teach you ‘how to be better then others’, at least by the way to talk about them. Imagine having these guys telling you that you are an idiot and that they don’t want to educate you-which I’m pretty sure that they did-you wouldn’t be what you are today. I’m not saying that you where spoon fed information mind you, but you get the drift of my argument.

I and others here are just digging/contributing info in the quest to ‘get educated’. If you know better and think you are better then others, you should in fact be able to recognize ‘the lazy’ from ‘the guy doing it wrong’. We’re getting the impression that you’re not completely able to do so. Anyway, I’m off to sleep. These couple of days my friends helped me in my assignments, and I returned the favor…only slept for 4 hrs in like 2 days in total. Good night.

My 2 cents.

#79

Also guys eh, try not make this a hating thread. Those that aren’t willing to share any RELEVANT info, don’t post. Don’t make a jackass of yourself. Respect others.

#80

Helios there we go. i vote yes. Funny as i was about a day away from starting a DNP vs Helios thread and having some good debates. good call.

#81

where can i find info about Helios ? I have not seen much info around…as other things.

ok I found some info…I spelled it wrong…thats why no info came up…seems simple enough.but all info I found was old.

#82

I’d like to add my two cents.
It’s ashame this thread got off track.

I’ve used DNP three times. I got mine- Animal(first) and
DNPGuru(2/3).
I did my first cycle in 2000 (I bought enough for several)
I had read what Dan Duchaine had written and bought Animal’s
online “How to feel good on 600mg of DNP”.
The capsules were orangey/yellow and they bled that colour
through everything–caps/ziplock bag/plastic bottle.
200mg&300mg caps. I had read that 5mg/kg was the max dose
so i used 500mg/day. 200am 300pm. I did not ramp up.
I was also using Biotest’s MD6(with PPA)
I can’t remember the time frame when the sides hit but boy
did they.
Thirst. I was so thirsty. I used to wake up in the middle of the night from the pain of trying to swallow.
Have u ever poured water on dry parched earth. There is a sound as the water is absorbed in. I swear I could hear that every time I drank water. Kept a large jug of water by the bed.
I sweat profusely. Wet bed sheets.
But worst thing was the lethargy. Have u ever had the flu.
I mean really had the flu…no energy to get of bed flu. Thats what DNP feels like minus the runny /nose congestion. It feels like your suddenly on a planet where the gravity is three times more that earth.
The most I could do for exercise was walk and light weightsfor a short time…just didn’t have the energy.
This cycle lasted for 10 days. I took my last pill and flushed the rest…
As for weight loss…I didn’t keep track but people who saw me afterwards couldn’t belive how much weight I lost.

“Have you ever danced with DNP in the pale moon light?”

The next–2004–I used DNPGuru (funny how time erases the bad memories).Same dosing.
This time around it was uncomfortable but nothing like before. I also wasn’t impressed with amount of weight I lost. Couple pounds at most. The one major difference, I couldn’t stop eating-I was hungry all the time. I can’t explain it.

The last time I just DNP was winter 2005. This was a low dose–200mg per day. Again hungry and wasn’t impressed with weight loss. Although the lethargy was less it still uncomfortable.Ran this for about 30 days.
The one thing I found interesting was I had to do a small job outside so I didn’t dress for Canada in the winter. Well this small job turned into a large job with co-workers assisting. We were outside for maybe an hour. I was just wearing coveralls and work boots and everyone else looked like"Cartman". I didn’t feel the cold at all.No frost bite nothing.

I was going to call bullshit on BigJay for using 1000mg for 14 days but I think this points out the fact that you just don’t know what your getting.

Will I use DNP again? No. It’s not were I am now. I want my fat loss to be a “side effect” of proper training and a kick ass diet. I think, for me, when the brain is “in a good place” everything just seems to work. Thats the avenue I’m taking now.

As for people dying using this stuff, I have only heard of one. I think he got it from DNPGuru(this is how he got busted)A teenager living with his parents started a cycle of DNP. When the sides hit he freaked which in turn freaked his parents, which in turn freaked the ER doctor who prescibed a diuretic…Row 8, plot 4. RIP

Cheers

Paul

By the way I believe it was “Dharkham” that introduced
PGF2 the BB world

#83

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#84

[quote]lv 426 wrote:
I’d like to add my two cents.
It’s ashame this thread got off track.

I’ve used DNP three times. I got mine- Animal(first) and
DNPGuru(2/3).
I did my first cycle in 2000 (I bought enough for several)
I had read what Dan Duchaine had written and bought Animal’s
online “How to feel good on 600mg of DNP”.
The capsules were orangey/yellow and they bled that colour
through everything–caps/ziplock bag/plastic bottle.
200mg&300mg caps. I had read that 5mg/kg was the max dose
so i used 500mg/day. 200am 300pm. I did not ramp up.
I was also using Biotest’s MD6(with PPA)
I can’t remember the time frame when the sides hit but boy
did they.
Thirst. I was so thirsty. I used to wake up in the middle of the night from the pain of trying to swallow.
Have u ever poured water on dry parched earth. There is a sound as the water is absorbed in. I swear I could hear that every time I drank water. Kept a large jug of water by the bed.
I sweat profusely. Wet bed sheets.
But worst thing was the lethargy. Have u ever had the flu.
I mean really had the flu…no energy to get of bed flu. Thats what DNP feels like minus the runny /nose congestion. It feels like your suddenly on a planet where the gravity is three times more that earth.
The most I could do for exercise was walk and light weightsfor a short time…just didn’t have the energy.
This cycle lasted for 10 days. I took my last pill and flushed the rest…
As for weight loss…I didn’t keep track but people who saw me afterwards couldn’t belive how much weight I lost.

“Have you ever danced with DNP in the pale moon light?”

The next–2004–I used DNPGuru (funny how time erases the bad memories).Same dosing.
This time around it was uncomfortable but nothing like before. I also wasn’t impressed with amount of weight I lost. Couple pounds at most. The one major difference, I couldn’t stop eating-I was hungry all the time. I can’t explain it.

The last time I just DNP was winter 2005. This was a low dose–200mg per day. Again hungry and wasn’t impressed with weight loss. Although the lethargy was less it still uncomfortable.Ran this for about 30 days.
The one thing I found interesting was I had to do a small job outside so I didn’t dress for Canada in the winter. Well this small job turned into a large job with co-workers assisting. We were outside for maybe an hour. I was just wearing coveralls and work boots and everyone else looked like"Cartman". I didn’t feel the cold at all.No frost bite nothing.

I was going to call bullshit on BigJay for using 1000mg for 14 days but I think this points out the fact that you just don’t know what your getting.

Will I use DNP again? No. It’s not were I am now. I want my fat loss to be a “side effect” of proper training and a kick ass diet. I think, for me, when the brain is “in a good place” everything just seems to work. Thats the avenue I’m taking now.

As for people dying using this stuff, I have only heard of one. I think he got it from DNPGuru(this is how he got busted)A teenager living with his parents started a cycle of DNP. When the sides hit he freaked which in turn freaked his parents, which in turn freaked the ER doctor who prescibed a diuretic…Row 8, plot 4. RIP

Cheers

Paul

By the way I believe it was “Dharkham” that introduced
PGF2 the BB world

[/quote]

One of the best replies I’ve read so far on this thread. Thanks for posting man. Seriously.

#85

Well, I didn’t read this whole clusterfuck of a thread because i don’t have time to but I added a link to it into my Newbie Cycle Planning guide under the Fatloss section where I mentioned DNP.

Thanks for starting this thread bicep_craze…I don’t think it needs to be a sticky because it will likely just inspire more idiots to do the stuff but I think it’s good that it’s on here so if people search they will get good answers.

FG

#86

[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Well, I didn’t read this whole clusterfuck of a thread because i don’t have time to but I added a link to it into my Newbie Cycle Planning guide under the Fatloss section where I mentioned DNP.

Thanks for starting this thread bicep_craze…I don’t think it needs to be a sticky because it will likely just inspire more idiots to do the stuff but I think it’s good that it’s on here so if people search they will get good answers.

FG[/quote]

Thank you man. Yeah, I don’t agree for this thread to be stickied either to be honest (I also pointed that out at the beginning of the thread). I think DNP is more of a ‘if you wanna use it search for it’ type of compound since it isn’t very widely popular. I myself wouldn’t use it and use whatever other stuff available (ECA stacks, Yohimbine, Clenbuterol…etc etc) only because I’m scared shit less to gulp down a phenol (cancer anyone?)

#87

[quote]Game_over wrote:
Helios there we go. i vote yes. Funny as i was about a day away from starting a DNP vs Helios thread and having some good debates. good call. [/quote]

Thanks and yeah hmmm…guys thread is open ya know… :slight_smile:

#88

[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
Well, I didn’t read this whole clusterfuck of a thread because i don’t have time to but I added a link to it into my Newbie Cycle Planning guide under the Fatloss section where I mentioned DNP.

Thanks for starting this thread bicep_craze…I don’t think it needs to be a sticky because it will likely just inspire more idiots to do the stuff but I think it’s good that it’s on here so if people search they will get good answers.

FG[/quote]

where can I see this ??

#89

Just scroll a bit down in the first page (in the middle or so).

#90

[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:

Just scroll a bit down in the first page (in the middle or so). [/quote]

thank you

#91

By the way, I’m trying to find what dosages/results Helios yielded as opposed to DNP, trying to find some logs also. I’m not sure if my steroids supplier (holy shite I sound like one of those bad ass guys in…ok ok uhhh what I was saying, ah yeah) has ever used Helios, although he did offer me to inject me with that shit. I’m willing to guinea pig that shit but I better have an idea of what the hell we’ll be doing. Hang on…

#92

Not taking any credit for the following information regarding Helios. Again take the following info with a pinch of salt. It may be inaccurate. Clenbuterol users are encouraged to read a little as they could point out any flaws in the following. As an ephedrine user I can confirm that upon secession of ephedrine use, fat especially in the belly region is gained pretty fast also. Anyway here we go…


Helios-Spot Fat Reduction Injection


Helios was originally developed by an idea from the legendary body-building guru Dan Duchaine. Generic Supplements is selling this extremely potent solution on the bodybuilding market. The ingredients (Clenbuterol and Yohimbine HCL) are forbidden in almost every country, as well as administration via injection. This is only allowed by a doctor or medical trained nurse. But this form of administration is also the best way for spot reduction.

The art of spot reduction.

When you begin a diet, you may notice that you lose fat very unevenly on your body. The areas you don’t wish to concentrate your fat loss seem to be most responsive to the restriction of calories. On the other hand, the areas you desire to shed fat seem to be unaffected by the diet. In women, the may be shrinking, while the lower body remains as fat as it was. In men, even if the waist is getting smaller, the abs are not getting any more visible. Why put your body through a tough and often unhealthy diet if unwanted inches of fat remain? What we want is a specifically targeted fat loss, but we are told that spot reduction is impossible! Is this true?

Rather than an overall and even fat reduction, the weight loss will be more “spot specific”. Por belief is that we can not spot reduce fat. This is however a myth, because the human body does, but unfortunately it doesn’t necessarily do it in the places we wish it to. What we have to do, is to redirect the fat destruction in areas we want to shrink rather than everywhere else. Please realise that your abs are not covered by that much fat. Imagine if one could concentrate the fat loss exclusively in that particular area. It is the same thing for the women who could easily lose their lower body fat by strictly concentrating the fat reduction there.

Best sites for application as mentioned above are the triceps, “love handles”, thighs, gluteus and the “saddle bags” or waist (basically any area that has fat aculation). These areas will vary from person to person, though the above listed are the most common. The fat that fails to disappear even through a strict diet is called “stubborn fat”. Typically, so called stubborn fat is estrogenic by nature, however some people just have high numbers of A2 receptors. The A2 receptor is highly influenced by oestrogen if you are a women, and if you have estrogenic fat patterns you most likely have large numbers of A2 receptors.

Yohimbine HCL

The reason why ‘Yohimbine hcl’ is included in Helios is that it binds to the A2 receptor and blocks Norepinephrine(and other A2 agonist including oestrogen) from binding to, and antagonizing it (which inhibits the release of fatty acids). It thus allows for fatty acids to be “burned”, hence the stubborn fat will be lost. These two ingredients, Yohimbine and Clenbuterol , ?speed up? the metabolism of the injected area and provoke a chemical reaction that change fat cells into fatty acids, which will slip through cell membranes and into the bloodstream to be burned. If you don?t burn the freed fatty acids through a firm aerobic workout, your body will store them again in fatty deposits.

Side effects which may occur are loss of appetite, tremors, dizziness, nervousness, restlessness, irregular heart beat, nausea, excessive sweating, diarrhoea and it is also possible to experience other complications due to the weight, or body fat percentage loss that results from its use.

Why do we spot reduce upside down naturally?

There are two main mediators of fat mobilization. One consists of the circulating hormones such as norepinephrine. They stumble upon fat stores by chance, and will do little to spot reduce. By using oral Clenbuterol, we increase the circulation of those lipolytic factors, but we do not truly redirect spot reduction the way we wish to. The chances are, we accentuate the spot reduction in the wrong places. The second pathway is far more interesting. All our adipose stores are innervated by the nervous system a bit like our muscles are. In other words, our brain is directly related to each of our adipose depots. Through the nervous system, the brain can then send neurotransmitters in whatever depot it wishes. Those neurotransmitters (epinephrine and norepinephrine) happen to be the main direct lipolytic hormones. It means that potentially our brain possesses the ability to allow us to spot reduce at will, by sending fat loss mediators in very specific depots. The problem is we do not know how to redirect our brain efforts to help us spot reduce. This is why we spot reduce in the wrong areas: i.e. the places the brain local efforts are the most intense versus the places were it is the laziest.

So, if the brain does not wish to send enough fat loss hormones to the specific areas we want to get rid of, we can do it ourselves by locally injecting those hormones. This way, we can redirect lipolysis where we wish to. It is now possible to spot reduce at will! Whenever I say this, people will get over excited, believing that a single subcutaneous injection will immediately destroy all the fat present. This is not the case as other anti-lipolytic forces are also at play to prevent that. But after a month of local injections plus a proper diet, you will clearly see that those formerly resistant areas are not as hard to get rid of as before. Fat loss will be more evenly distributed, which will indirectly spare muscle mass. In effect, with a classical diet, when you have lost most of your fat except that around the waist, what do you do? Diet harder which translates into an intense muscle cannibalization and a minimal eradication of the waist’s fat. By using local injections, this classical suicidal period can be avoided.

Picture trial

Helios is available in 50 ml and 20 ml (1) Clean the rubber septum of the vial with an alcohol swab and stick the needle through the septum. Turn the vial upside down, and inject as much air as you want to pull out, this to prevent a vacuum. Pull the top of the needle in the fluid and pull out as much fluid as you and your buddy need (2). Inject the fluid in a sterile container (cleaned with alcohol too) (3), or suck the fluid directly from the big syringe into the insulin pin, after removing the needle. Suck the fluid into a insulin syringe (4). All individuals should use their own pin. The pins can be stored in a tupperware box in the refrigerator and used about three days, you?ll notice it when they become less sharp. The Helios itself should be stored in a cool dark place too, preferably a refrigerator, as well.

How to proceed?

Idealistically, you have a training buddy or friend that wants to loose fat the same way. The first time you use Helios is comparable with the first time you used coffee. The active ingredient in coffee (caffeine) gives the same effects as Clenbuterol, it makes you sweat, nervous and your heartbeat increases. This off course is dose dependant, and each individual will be different. Your body will quickly adapt to the use of Helios, and allow you to raise the used doses. Start with two to four shots with a very low dose (we suggest 40 iu - 0,4 ml) on the same place on the left- and right side of your body. If you handle it well, increase the dosages possibly through several shots spread locally over the fat area. This will allow you to cover a larger fat area with a single injection. The fat loss drugs are more evenly spread on the “to be destro” area. Try to hit different parts of the deposit each time so that every fat cell gets abbreviated with some adipose destructor.

Ideally, this should be done first thing in the morning on an empty stomach before aerobic training. Once you are used to it, you can drink one or two cups of coffee between the injections and the aerobic workout. This will amplify the effect of the Helios. Understand that the injections will only force the local fat to leave its adipose reserve and to pass in the blood. Fat molecules have not been destro yet. The aerobic training has to take care of that (along with the help of the night time fast). Some also use appetite suppressants like Meridia or thyroid hormones.

Should thyroid hormones be used with Clenbuterol?

Animal studies have shown that the effect of Clenbuterol will rapidly fade away. It was hypothesized that the rapid beta receptor down regulation was the cause of this. As thyroid hormones are one of the regulators of those beta receptors, their use while on Clenbuterol has been suggested in order to prevent the receptor down regulation. I think this is a mistake! Serious (non-natural) bodybuilders are on thyroid medications most of the year so they are not concerned by this issue. But what about health conscious drug users? Should they stack Clenbuterol and thyroid hormones for greater effectiveness? It is true that in order to get lean fast, this is a cheap and very effective stack. But as you stop those drugs, you will have a hard time retaining your lean condition. This makes it a very short term solution. I do not know how rumours of Clenbuterol shutting down the users thyroid got started, or why scientific research was ignored on that point. Clenbuterol (and most beta agonist) tends to increase (not decrease) thyroid activity which is good. So there is no need for exogenous thyroid while on Clenbuterol for most dieters.

On the other hand, in the United States T3 is used by countless bodybuilders, fitness queens and models, they use this thyroid gland hormone the whole year round in high doses. They become dependant, which can mean the rest of their lives a supplementation of T3 will be necessary. This is because through the high and long use, their endogenous production falls back to almost nothing. Therefore it is better to use T3 only for a short time. With a daily dose of only 12.5 mcg per day women and newbie’s can raise their metabolisms, burning fat for 3 months at least, even in combination with Helios. At 50-100 mcg per day you come to the dose that much heavier bodybuilders use. It is of the largest interest that the quantity is carefully increased at the beginning, and decreased when you want to stop.

The thermogenic response (temperature raise) is measured with a thermometer, before and after Helios administration.

Ketotifen

Ketotifen is also a anti-asthma drug. Ketotifen keeps the receptors that Clenbuterol couples intact. The effect of Clenbuterol would normally become insensitive within two weeks. So as a result of the Ketotifen being present, not only would one be able to use Clenbuterol for longer periods, a dosage of 30% less than normal would suffice. Moreover one would suffer less of side effects ie like tremors, sweating, dizziness etc. High doses of Ketotifen makes many athletes too dull to train properly, 3-4 milligrams is enough. Ketotifen amplifies the effect of drugs like melatonin, alcohol and sleeping pills, it is used as a sleep aid in higher doses. Pharmaceutical companies sell Keto in dosages of 1 milligram per tab. A confessed compound is ’ Zaditen '.

Some people complain about little knots underneath their skin in the former fatty deposits. These knots will disappear after some time. You can amplify this by using a tanning bed, a sauna or a good massage. This is also good for the extra skin that will come after the fat has melted away underneath. Also drink lots of water after, and during your workouts, as well as during, and before everything you eat. It will suppress your appetite and clear your body of excess waste products from the burned fatty acids.

Some users told us they used a sauna belt during workout and/or the abs-tronic

#93

SUPER-BUMP

does anyone no if there is a difference between crystal or powder form DNP?

EDIT: Never mind, after printing out all the info on here i found my answer.