Well, I figure we need to get this out of our system so let have at it. Our brothers and sisters across the pond see fit to come to an American website forum, patronized predominantly Americans and see fit to trash and insult America and Americans. I figure it's time to return in kind. After all, I wouldn't consider Europe to be the gold standard in humanitarian behavior.
So dig up flaws with Europe. Anything will do, past, present and future. You know, things like the unholy, merciless raping of the African continent. Or perhaps the shipping off of environmentally messy industries to third world countries so they can sign the Kyoto protocol and pretend they are innocent environmentally. What ever, be creative. Don't forget the crusades! Oh shit, I forgot, that was the Jews working with Bush....
Hey at least it's an honest approach since that is what ends up happening anyway many times. Besides, what debate? Is there a debate? More often then not I see a bunch of "facts" randomly pulled out in order to make each other look bad; this then allows the poster to flip his collar up and walk with a strut. This is not a popular fashion in the U.S.; but it may be in Europe. I say if you wanna fling poo, then fling poo.
A lot of Europeans act like they are better than us because we act like "ugly Americans" but, we act like "ugly Americans" because they act like "snooty Europeans" who cares who started doing it first, the mature shit to do is to stop it when you see it. Definitely call them out when you see it, but we have to stop ourselves from doing it, there's no need to attack, just to attack. We need to work on cooperation.
America isn't as bad as many make it out to be, and Europe isn't as bad as we make it out to be. The sooner we realize neither us nor our countries are perfect, the sooner we can stop bitching at each other about it, it's fucking annoying on both sides.
I have attempted to stay away from that myself. Also when the discussion degrades, it is often a sign that the person is losing their argument, and getting upset about it.
It's not the only reason, but a big one. Also its easier to get upset, and start fights instead of actually discussing the issues.
When people actually start to piss me off, I leave. But in reality that is hard to do.
I have never taken these discussions here too seriously. Few opinions are changed, and generally if you are here debating, your opinions are strong enough that they often cannot be.
When I am here, I actually do read the opposite opinions, and consider them. But I can tell when opinions are not read, or the only reason they are arguing with me is to "win". Interestingly I only think I win if I am actually right, not just winning some stupid debate.
Handling Lybia WAS ar real disgrace. Diplomacy aside, do we actually plan to use that military someday? If not, why do we have those fancy maneuvers? Oh, such an excellent opportunity wasted, to really test the new Tiger Helicopter, the Eurofighter Typhoon, the Weasel, the Ocelot etc.
Why do we produce those things anyway, when a third rate country can rape our people for years? Just to sell this junk in twenty years to another third rate country? Oh man, Bombing the shit out of Libya, with each day new pictures and videos in the news, embedded reporters and a toy series, something like GIJoe that I can buy my little nephew. For christ sake, it's a country with a green flag who has allahu akbar as the national antheme!
One of the moments where I wish we were a little more american. I knew instantly that Sarkozy was one big cocksucker.
Now that the French are on board, we need to get the Germans too! With these major countries all working together, we can conquer the Middle East and get oil back down to what it should be --- like $10/barrel.
With the price soaring and the threat that poses to Western Civilisation, I wouldn't be surprised to see an attack on Iran very soon. $86/barrel is making it more and more worthwhile for the West to attack. Watch if it hits $100. Yikes!!!
It's hard to trash Europe without accidentally trashing the US. The only parts of the US that are distinctly American in culture kind of blow. The best part about America is the crazy amount of cultures we have all mixed and jumbled to create an awesome salad of culture.