European Elections

BNP will receive the same treatment as others on the lunatic fringe. its interventions will be listened to politely and then discarded. The one big difference between the EP and European national parliaments is that the role of the EP is not to provide or support an executive (which is mostly the Member States governments, and in some cases the European Commission) and in consequence does not play the role of an Opposition. In this it is somewhat more akin to the US congress.

Just like Congress it suffers from occasional bout of declamatory politics “it is the sense of this House,etc…”, but the real work is to look at legislation drafted by the European Commission and adopt (uncommon), amend (the bulk) or reject (also uncommon as the Commission should know not to propose drafts that won’t get support). In parallel,the EU Member States do exactly the same as co-legislators within the Council of Ministers. The EP process is open and transparent. The Council is not.

This why it is pointless to elect MEP’s that have a fundamental issue with the working methods. Interestingly the Pirate is well aware of that and expects join a party grouping (greens or liberals).

Here is a good example of European politics. Because the elections were coming up all refferences to terrorism in the Air France crash were quickly dismissed. Now that the elections are safely over we can now be told that it may have been terrorsim.

Two passengers on doomed Air France jet cleared of links to Islamic terrorism | Daily Mail Online

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on board the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it emerged today.

Both were men in their 20s of unspecified nationality, but their bodies have not yet been found, making proper identification impossible.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31st.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
Here is a good example of European politics. Because the elections were coming up all refferences to terrorism in the Air France crash were quickly dismissed. Now that the elections are safely over we can now be told that it may have been terrorsim.

Two passengers on doomed Air France jet cleared of links to Islamic terrorism | Daily Mail Online

Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on board the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it emerged today.

Both were men in their 20s of unspecified nationality, but their bodies have not yet been found, making proper identification impossible.

French secret servicemen established the connection while working through the list of those who boarded the doomed Airbus in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, on May 31st.

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Thats some quality investigation right there.

Two men who may or may not be linked islamic terroists, may or may not have been on the plane.

WOW what a breakthrough, I bet the case is almsot closed!

My point Crawl is that any possibility of terrorism was very quickly ruled out and down played before they even found any wreckage. Even though there was a bomb threat made against an Air France flt out of Argentina just a few days earlier and the border areas where Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina meet is home to a large muslim population with a history of militancy. It is highly suspect that they would immediately rule out terrorism with a threat being made just a few days earlier. With right wing parties already set to made big gains in the EU elections before this event the immediate dismissal of terrorism was a political move to prevent this incident from affecting the election. That is how media involvement in politics works in Europe.

Are you aware that without consulting Airfrance president Sarkozy made a request to president Obama for active US involvement in the investigation? Airbus is made in France and there were no American passengers on the plane. So this American involvement is unusual, unless of course they are trying to determine if this was a terrorist incident.

That new story shows that now the elections are safely over the news mdeia feel safe letting us know that the immediate dismissals of terrorism may have been inaccurate because there were two people on a terrorist watch list on the plane. Two men may not sound like a lot to you but it was three five man and one four man teams who seized control of four aircraft on 9/11. Just because only two (so far) were on a watch list it doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been more.

When it first happened I thought they were too quick to dismiss terrorism and I thought it was politically motivated because of last weeks elections. This new information would have been political dynamite a week ago. I find it suspicious that it has taken them this long to compare names on the passenger list against the watchlists. That information is supposed to be computereized so it is like doing a google search. It doesn’t take over a week to get results from a google search, think about that.

[quote]Sifu wrote:
My point Crawl is that any possibility of terrorism was very quickly ruled out and down played before they even found any wreckage. Even though there was a bomb threat made against an Air France flt out of Argentina just a few days earlier and the border areas where Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina meet is home to a large muslim population with a history of militancy. It is highly suspect that they would immediately rule out terrorism with a threat being made just a few days earlier. With right wing parties already set to made big gains in the EU elections before this event the immediate dismissal of terrorism was a political move to prevent this incident from affecting the election. That is how media involvement in politics works in Europe.

Are you aware that without consulting Airfrance president Sarkozy made a request to president Obama for active US involvement in the investigation? Airbus is made in France and there were no American passengers on the plane. So this American involvement is unusual, unless of course they are trying to determine if this was a terrorist incident.

That new story shows that now the elections are safely over the news mdeia feel safe letting us know that the immediate dismissals of terrorism may have been inaccurate because there were two people on a terrorist watch list on the plane. Two men may not sound like a lot to you but it was three five man and one four man teams who seized control of four aircraft on 9/11. Just because only two (so far) were on a watch list it doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been more.

When it first happened I thought they were too quick to dismiss terrorism and I thought it was politically motivated because of last weeks elections. This new information would have been political dynamite a week ago. I find it suspicious that it has taken them this long to compare names on the passenger list against the watchlists. That information is supposed to be computereized so it is like doing a google search. It doesn’t take over a week to get results from a google search, think about that.[/quote]

And now Daily Mail acknowledges that its article was rubbish, while retaining the claim in the web address (classy!). Even so, I fail to see how the original issue of European Elections would have had anything to do with the ravings of Daily Mail…

TQB, don’t start insulting the Daily Heil, it’s Sifu’s favourite read!

Oh and your ancestral homeland? What a load of claptrap. Human’s have spread all over the planet, there is no such thing as racial purity. We are all a huge mixture and the sooner we realise that and stop arguing about artificial lines drawn on maps the better.

[quote]dhickey wrote:
I don’t see how the green parties wouldn’t be considered left of center, but maybe EU environmentalists are different then the wack jobs we have over here.[/quote]
In Holland, at least, the green parties are definitely left of center. Although we do have one wife-beating animal-loving right-wing nutcase-member of Wilder’s party, Dionn Grauss. Look him up on google if you wanna see a picture of this moron.

Besides that we have the ‘Party for Animals’, no kidding, there actually is a party in our parliament that’s called the Party for Animals (Partij voor de Dieren in dutch). They didn’t get a seat in the European parliament. The other green party is called ‘Green Left’ (Groen Links in dutch). Gained one seat in the European parliament.

[quote]TQB wrote:
Sifu wrote:
My point Crawl is that any possibility of terrorism was very quickly ruled out and down played before they even found any wreckage. Even though there was a bomb threat made against an Air France flt out of Argentina just a few days earlier and the border areas where Brazil, Paraguay and Argentina meet is home to a large muslim population with a history of militancy. It is highly suspect that they would immediately rule out terrorism with a threat being made just a few days earlier. With right wing parties already set to made big gains in the EU elections before this event the immediate dismissal of terrorism was a political move to prevent this incident from affecting the election. That is how media involvement in politics works in Europe.

Are you aware that without consulting Airfrance president Sarkozy made a request to president Obama for active US involvement in the investigation? Airbus is made in France and there were no American passengers on the plane. So this American involvement is unusual, unless of course they are trying to determine if this was a terrorist incident.

That new story shows that now the elections are safely over the news mdeia feel safe letting us know that the immediate dismissals of terrorism may have been inaccurate because there were two people on a terrorist watch list on the plane. Two men may not sound like a lot to you but it was three five man and one four man teams who seized control of four aircraft on 9/11. Just because only two (so far) were on a watch list it doesn’t mean there couldn’t have been more.

When it first happened I thought they were too quick to dismiss terrorism and I thought it was politically motivated because of last weeks elections. This new information would have been political dynamite a week ago. I find it suspicious that it has taken them this long to compare names on the passenger list against the watchlists. That information is supposed to be computereized so it is like doing a google search. It doesn’t take over a week to get results from a google search, think about that.

And now Daily Mail acknowledges that its article was rubbish, while retaining the claim in the web address (classy!). Even so, I fail to see how the original issue of European Elections would have had anything to do with the ravings of Daily Mail…[/quote]

Perhaps you should read the article. All that has happened is the men whose names matched names on the watch lists have finally been determined to not be the men who are on the lists.

The idea of the watch list is people are supposed to be flagged and investigated before the flight not over a week after the plane has gone down. It shows serious problems with the Air France security.

There is also the issue of why hasn’t the passenger list been released. They are usually released within 72 hours. It has now been well over a week.

The way this relates to the EU elections is many of the political parties that made big gains are the ones that are opposed to the islamification of Europe. Muslim terrorism on the eve of elections has a big effect.

[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
TQB, don’t start insulting the Daily Heil, it’s Sifu’s favourite read! [/quote]

I source the Daily mail for the specific purpose of pissing off Guardianistas like you.It works like a charm too.

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Oh and your ancestral homeland? What a load of claptrap. [/quote]

I have an idea, why don’t you try sharing this view with your Mexican neighbors? I would love hear about their reactions.

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Human’s have spread all over the planet, there is no such thing as racial purity. [/quote]

It says a lot that you choose to shade this conversation in those terms when I have made no refference to such terms. It shows where your head is at. There is a saying that if you go far enough to the left or the right of the political spectrum they fold back onto one another. You guardianistas prove that, because you will use race just as ruthlessly as any Nazi.

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We are all a huge mixture and the sooner we realise that and stop arguing about artificial lines drawn on maps the better. [/quote]

There you go again spewing a bunch of high minded sounding crap that is dangerously ignorant of history and human nature. You can’t just go around performing shotgun weddings of all the worlds peoples and expect that there aren’t going to be winners and losers.

Just in the interest of making sure there is an appropriate coverage on matters with a potential impact on parties represented in the EU parliament (see earlier mentioning of the Airfrance plane crash), let’s not overlook this news report then:

Man who killed guard at Holocaust museum has links to BNP

'[…]Yesterday it emerged that Von Brunn, a longtime antisemite, had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National party (AFBNP), which was set up to raise funds from far-right activists in America.

Mark Cotterill, who ran the US-based organisation before it folded in 2001, said: ‘He did attend meetings. I have just checked my database and he is down as ‘meetings only’, so he was not a major donor, although he may have put some money on the plate when it was passed round.’

The AFBNP treasurer, Todd Blodgett, also told the Washington Post that he and Von Brunn had attended fundraising meetings in Arlington County. The BNP leader, Nick Griffin, spoke to at least two AFBNP meetings and said the money raised by the organisation made a ‘significant contribution to the BNP’s [2001] general election campaign’. […]

Just to make sure we get a variety of sources, and not just the Guardian here:

White supremacist who opened fire at U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum ‘is a supporter of the BNP’

[…]Last night, it emerged that von Brunn had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National Party in Arlington, Virginia.

Todd Blodgett, a former Reagan White House aide, told the Washington Post he went with von Brunn to meetings of the group, which was set up to raise funds for the BNP.

He said the U.S. army veteran believed he fought for the wrong side in the Second World War.

‘Von Brunn is obsessed with Jewish people,’ said Mr Blodgett. ‘He had equal contempt for both Jews and blacks, but if he had to pick one group to wipe out, he’d always say it would be Jews.’[…]

Also in the Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6481475.ece

It’s also funny how on some of the nazi-boards there’s already talk about that this has been a set up.

Makkun

[quote]Sifu wrote:

Perhaps you should read the article. All that has happened is the men whose names matched names on the watch lists have finally been determined to not be the men who are on the lists.

The idea of the watch list is people are supposed to be flagged and investigated before the flight not over a week after the plane has gone down. It shows serious problems with the Air France security. [/quote]

Or else the men had already been identified by the local AF staff. Some Arab names are extremely common. Brazil has a large Brazilian-Arab community and if “Ali Mohammad” were on the list and on the flight, it basically signifies nothing.

I am not certain that is a general rule. Anyway It is up to either of the involved government to decide.

I live in a town with a large Muslim population. They have not tried to influence me or anyone I know’s life. “Islamification” is about as true as “Jews ruling the world”. Apart from BNP and the Dutch guy, I do not note any Anti-Islamic vote pattern. Even here in Belgium, where we do have racist parties they tanked at the poll.

makkun:
"Man who killed guard at Holocaust museum has links to BNP "
He sure is a right whackjob, but what does that prove? It seems to more as newsworthy as “the recent highschool massacre teenager was into FPS games.”

But honestly guys, let’s not turn this into the usual jews vs rightwingers vs arabs deathmatch sort of thing.

let’s see:
Erasmus wrote: “Europe has basicly voted centre-right, which is not unusual in an economic recession.”

Is he right?
Or is it generally fringevoting.

It is interesting to anticipate the political spectrum in five years. Will the world economy be totally stable and the EU Parliament will revert to cushy lobbyism once more? Or will it be in turmoil, with green, right, left and digital radicals in the midst?

[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Gutted about the BNP getting two seats. How can there be hundreds of thousands of racist climate change denialists in this country? Shameful. And also just as shameful are the people who didn’t go out and vote and let this happen.

I voted Lib Dems in England. Very nearly voted Greens but found out they don’t support nuclear energy in the nic of time. Then afterwards found out they are anti science nut jobs and am incredibly glad I didn’t vote for them![/quote]

What’s wrong with the BNP? They appear to be pissed because the NHS has fired British docs and replaced them with docs from 3rd world countries; and the NHS hiring illegal aliens to clean the hospitals, resulting in filthy hospitals that cause patient deaths. They also don’t want to be awakened in the morning by someone squalling over a PA system that its time for morning prayers.

Those things seem quite reasonable to me.

Erasmus is right. This a minor shift from centre right to a little bit more right,but still centre. The previous biggest grouping, the European People’s Party was strengthened. the Socialists lost and the Liberals dropped a bit. In some countries, Eurosceptics gained, in others they crashed. Percentage wise, no big change. The UK Conservatives decided to leave the EPP and form a new grouping, but may find that some potential partners carry baggage(in from of unacceptable political positions).

All in all, a nudge to the right.

Why is the Parliament so receptive to lobbyism? Not certain but could be that they have much more power than people realise and the citizens’ scrutiny is lacking. Some crooks, lots of hardworking MEPs. I have been there well pastr midnight on several occasions.

[quote]makkun wrote:
Just in the interest of making sure there is an appropriate coverage on matters with a potential impact on parties represented in the EU parliament (see earlier mentioning of the Airfrance plane crash), let’s not overlook this news report then:

Man who killed guard at Holocaust museum has links to BNP

'[…]Yesterday it emerged that Von Brunn, a longtime antisemite, had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National party (AFBNP), which was set up to raise funds from far-right activists in America.

Mark Cotterill, who ran the US-based organisation before it folded in 2001, said: ‘He did attend meetings. I have just checked my database and he is down as ‘meetings only’, so he was not a major donor, although he may have put some money on the plate when it was passed round.’

The AFBNP treasurer, Todd Blodgett, also told the Washington Post that he and Von Brunn had attended fundraising meetings in Arlington County. The BNP leader, Nick Griffin, spoke to at least two AFBNP meetings and said the money raised by the organisation made a ‘significant contribution to the BNP’s [2001] general election campaign’. […]

Just to make sure we get a variety of sources, and not just the Guardian here:

White supremacist who opened fire at U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum ‘is a supporter of the BNP’

[…]Last night, it emerged that von Brunn had attended meetings of the American Friends of the British National Party in Arlington, Virginia.

Todd Blodgett, a former Reagan White House aide, told the Washington Post he went with von Brunn to meetings of the group, which was set up to raise funds for the BNP.

He said the U.S. army veteran believed he fought for the wrong side in the Second World War.

‘Von Brunn is obsessed with Jewish people,’ said Mr Blodgett. ‘He had equal contempt for both Jews and blacks, but if he had to pick one group to wipe out, he’d always say it would be Jews.’[…]

Also in the Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6481475.ece

It’s also funny how on some of the nazi-boards there’s already talk about that this has been a set up.

Makkun[/quote]

I read that article in the mail, thanks for bringing it into the discussion for me. Those articles clearly show the extreme desperation of the MSM to do everything they can do to smear the BNP. They are really stretching there to call attending a fundraiser “a link to the BNP”. They are trying to create a news story out of nothing.

Using their twisted logic one could say that I have links to the Spanish inquisition, because my roommate attended a Democratic party fundrasier, the party of Barack Obama, whose recent speech at Notre Dame gives him links to the Roman Catholic church which is the group responsible for the inquisition.

The MSM is desperately grasping at straws and they are destroying their credibility in the process. The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch along with the Sun, Sky news, FOX News etc… Just a few weeks ago the Times sister publication The SUN made up a bogus story accusing the BNP of passing out literature saying the Ghurkas should be kicked out of the country which they were forced to retract and are now being sued for.

People see what is going on and are increasingly bypassing the MSM to get their information directly from the BNP. That is why their website is by far the most popular of all the political parties. That is also why there was a terrorist attack on their site two weeks ago.

Tony Bliar was Rupert Murdochs bitch and George Bush was in his pocket too. You can’t say that about the BNP. That is the real issue here. The BNP is a genuine threat to the power and control of people like Rupert Murdoch.

[quote]TQB wrote:
Sifu wrote:

Perhaps you should read the article. All that has happened is the men whose names matched names on the watch lists have finally been determined to not be the men who are on the lists.

The idea of the watch list is people are supposed to be flagged and investigated before the flight not over a week after the plane has gone down. It shows serious problems with the Air France security.

Or else the men had already been identified by the local AF staff. Some Arab names are extremely common. Brazil has a large Brazilian-Arab community and if “Ali Mohammad” were on the list and on the flight, it basically signifies nothing. [/quote]

If the men had been cleared by AF in Brazil then there would be no reason for them to still be trying to figure out who they actually were over a week later.

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There is also the issue of why hasn’t the passenger list been released. They are usually released within 72 hours. It has now been well over a week.

I am not certain that is a general rule. Anyway It is up to either of the involved government to decide. [/quote]

Normally they notify next of kin or try to then release the passenger list. That plane went down May 31st and it is now June 12th that is a lot longer than 72 hours.

[quote]
The way this relates to the EU elections is many of the political parties that made big gains are the ones that are opposed to the islamification of Europe. Muslim terrorism on the eve of elections has a big effect.

I live in a town with a large Muslim population. They have not tried to influence me or anyone I know’s life. “Islamification” is about as true as “Jews ruling the world”. Apart from BNP and the Dutch guy, I do not note any Anti-Islamic vote pattern. Even here in Belgium, where we do have racist parties they tanked at the poll. [/quote]

I lived in a town with a lot of Muslims too but there is a big difference between living in the same town and living on the same street. They sure as hell tried to affect everyone where I lived. There are not over a billion Jews breeding like rabbits and using demographics and or violence to take over entire countries.

Sifu, what is guardianistas? And what do you mean that if you go far enough to one side you pop up at the other side, do you think that communism and nazism is the same thing?

Terrorist attack on a website? Is that what you get when you run PHP-Nuke?

Va?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Terrorist attack on a website? Is that what you get when you run PHP-Nuke?[/quote]

mybomb_detonate_bomb(‘atomic’,‘http://bnp.org.uk/’);