[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
This is truly sad:
The Jews are fleeing to Israel. But where can the native Europeans go? There’s going to be real trouble in Europe again within the next few decades.[/quote]
I think they’re already out numbered, and probably fucked.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/01/britain-most-popular-baby-name-muhammad[/quote]
That link is not even true
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]Aggv wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
This is truly sad:
The Jews are fleeing to Israel. But where can the native Europeans go? There’s going to be real trouble in Europe again within the next few decades.[/quote]
I think they’re already out numbered, and probably fucked.
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/01/britain-most-popular-baby-name-muhammad[/quote]
That link is not even true
Yes it is. I went through this with someone else before. The author says, they used numerous different spellings of Mohammad but they didn’t use multiple spellings of names like Matthew. But I pointed out Mohammad has more than twenty spellings but a name like Matthew only has two or three. So Mohammad is actually the most common name now in Britain.
^ 100% accurate
in this case, the UNHCR administers it. That’s the same body that has been pandering to the Palestinians for the last 70 years. /
Sorry, SM, the body that panders to the Palestinians are the Hamas-infested group UNRWA, currently headed by professional Hamas aider and wailer Chris Gunness (UK).
UNHCR deals with the world’s refugees but the Palestinians have their own exclusive agency - as well as the right to bequeath refugee status to their descendants - a privilege no other refugees have.
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
in this case, the UNHCR administers it. That’s the same body that has been pandering to the Palestinians for the last 70 years. /
Sorry, SM, the body that panders to the Palestinians are the Hamas-infested group UNRWA, currently headed by professional Hamas aider and wailer Chris Gunness (UK).
UNHCR deals with the world’s refugees but the Palestinians have their own exclusive agency - as well as the right to bequeath refugee status to their descendants - a privilege no other refugees have.[/quote]
Yes, the UNRWA is the main body that specifically panders to them but UNHCR and other UN bodies pander to them too in a variety of ways.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Mohammad is actually the most common name now in Britain.[/quote]
No, it’s the most popular baby name amongst the 56,157 people who are members of the BabyCentre.co.uk website who gave birth in 2014.
According to the British Office for National Statistics, there were 698,512 babies born in Britain in 2013. The most popular boy’s name was Oliver (6,949), followed by Jack (6,212), Harry (5,888), Jacob (5,126) and Charlie (5,039). Muhammad came in at 15th place, with 3,499 boys so named. Mohammad (with an “o”) came in at 23rd place, with 2,887 named after the prophet.
Admittedly, I have no data on how many boys were named Muhammed, Mohamed, Mohammed, Mohamad, Muhammet, or Muhamet, because none of these made the top fifty.
But we also have no data on how many boys were registered with the name Oliwer, Ollie, Olli, Olivier, Oliviero, Oilibhear, Olivario, Oilbhreis, or Olivarius. Probably not as many as Oliver, but these are all still the same name. Add 'em all up, and my money says their number beats the number of Muhammad variations.
Ditto with the name in the number 2 slot: a boy named John, Jacob, Jackie, Jackson, Johnny, Jacques, Jake, Jay, Jayceon, Jaco, or Jacobi is at least as much of a Jack as Mahomet and Mohamed are Muhammads. And they are in fact probably more numerous even than the Olivers.
In any case, it’s a moot point. The Guardian jumped the gun, as the actual 2014 data for the UK won’t be published until August of this year.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]'nuffsaid wrote:
in this case, the UNHCR administers it. That’s the same body that has been pandering to the Palestinians for the last 70 years. /
Sorry, SM, the body that panders to the Palestinians are the Hamas-infested group UNRWA, currently headed by professional Hamas aider and wailer Chris Gunness (UK).
UNHCR deals with the world’s refugees but the Palestinians have their own exclusive agency - as well as the right to bequeath refugee status to their descendants - a privilege no other refugees have.[/quote]
Yes, the UNRWA is the main body that specifically panders to them but UNHCR and other UN bodies pander to them too in a variety of ways.[/quote]
Yes, good point.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
This is truly sad:
The Jews are fleeing to Israel. But where can the native Europeans go? There’s going to be real trouble in Europe again within the next few decades.[/quote]
Germany. Their last hope.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
This is truly sad:
The Jews are fleeing to Israel. But where can the native Europeans go? There’s going to be real trouble in Europe again within the next few decades.[/quote]
Germany. Their last hope.
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Germany is left-wing crackpot central like France and all the other Western European countries. Germany has a long history of post-war radicalism. The East German Stasi were training the world’s most dangerous left-wing terrorists and the population in West Germany at the time were cheering Baader Meinhof and co. on and the most radical left-wing elements flourish in permissive environment, only today the terrorists are funded by the Middle East instead of East Germany/Soviet Union. From 1945 onward the Soviets employed an extensive subversion and re-education program and a massive propaganda effort that was very successful. Today, Germany is one of the most…“progressive” countries on the face of the earth. They’re only surpassed in left-wing moonbattery by Sweden, Norway etc. Although Greece and Italy are essentially socialist regimes as well.
This article in the UK Guardian explains the background of the current ruling party in Germany. It’s the same socialist party that ruled the East with an iron fist during the Soviet era:
A coalition of Die Linke(socialist former Communist-era ruling party of East Germany) allied with The Greens - a radical left-wing Eco-fascist party, and the old Social Democrats - the most moderate of the bunch but still a left-wing party. Yet they’ve lost a huge number of seats to the more radical parties.
So the problem is pan-national. There’s no where for Europeans to go. And when I use terms like “Eco-fascist” I’m not trying to be inflammatory. But if you look at their policies and what they are agitating for there is no other word to describe the environmentalists other than fascist. One of the reasons they’re dangerous is their fixation on empowering international bodies like the UN to enforce draconian legislation on countries over their own natural resources and waste disposal and so on. When parties like that get in power they cede national authority to international bodies and subject the nation to radical programs that waste vast amounts of money and act as a giant slush fund for academics and people in related fields.
It’s an entire industry. There are so many people whose entire livelihood and reputation and even identity is tied to some sort of Eco-nonsense. And then there are the phoney green rackets and corporations that siphon off billions for all the Al Gores. And the academic superstars like David Suzuki and others who preach the nonsense are utterly invested personally, professionally and in every other way to their fantasy. The Al Gores rub their greedy hands together and all the companies that make catalytic converters and solar panels and all the other junk are always scheming to get money from the public treasury; propping up pseudo-academics and “studies.” There’s always a frantic, manic edge to their spiel too that always strays into the absurd, fantastic and ridiculous; doomsday scenarios and the flying saucers and all that. The academics today in certain fields act like the sophists of Ancient Greece in their cynical attempts to persuade the politicians and the “stupid” public.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This article in the UK Guardian explains the background of the current ruling party in Germany. It’s the same socialist party that ruled the East with an iron fist during the Soviet era:
A coalition of Die Linke(socialist former Communist-era ruling party of East Germany) allied with The Greens - a radical left-wing Eco-fascist party, and the old Social Democrats - the most moderate of the bunch but still a left-wing party. Yet they’ve lost a huge number of seats to the more radical parties.
So the problem is pan-national. There’s no where for Europeans to go. And when I use terms like “Eco-fascist” I’m not trying to be inflammatory. But if you look at their policies and what they are agitating for there is no other word to describe the environmentalists other than fascist. One of the reasons they’re dangerous is their fixation on empowering international bodies like the UN to enforce draconian legislation on countries over their own natural resources and waste disposal and so on. When parties like that get in power they cede national authority to international bodies and subject the nation to radical programs that waste vast amounts of money and act as a giant slush fund for academics and people in related fields.
It’s an entire industry. There are so many people whose entire livelihood and reputation and even identity is tied to some sort of Eco-nonsense. And then there are the phoney green rackets and corporations that siphon off billions for all the Al Gores. And the academic superstars like David Suzuki and others who preach the nonsense are utterly invested personally, professionally and in every other way to their fantasy. The Al Gores rub their greedy hands together and all the companies that make catalytic converters and solar panels and all the other junk are always scheming to get money from the public treasury; propping up pseudo-academics and “studies.” There’s always a frantic, manic edge to their spiel too that always strays into the absurd, fantastic and ridiculous; doomsday scenarios and the flying saucers and all that. The academics today in certain fields act like the sophists of Ancient Greece in their cynical attempts to persuade the politicians and the “stupid” public.[/quote]
Thoughts on the Pegida?
^^ I don’t know, but it’s a good sign. There are a lot of kooks in the nationalist movement and weird people with a pathological kind of anti-Semitism. So that’s a worry. And If you’re going to sell anything to the mainstream it’s got to be relatively inclusive and moderate given the realities of multiethnic societies European nations have become. The so called “far-right” in France is a more complex scene for historical reasons and in Greece and Eastern Europe they seem to be more vanguard and militant, again for historical reasons.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Yes, that’s very true. There are however hotspots where immigrant communities have Balkanised themselves onto the landscape like the Somalis in parts of Minesotta. But overall it will be a very different picture you’re right. [/quote]
Don’t have much to say. Just that the first thing that pops into my head when I hear stuff like this, or your anecdotes about the small Oz towns being overrun – Is that someone or some group decided something needed to be done and and they take these people in. And then drop them off somewhere and forget about it and assume someone else will make it work. Just a diffusion of responsibility and an uncoordinated effort. Leads to bad results.
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I think it’s too late. You’d have to start deporting citizens and that’s never going to happen. This will bring about a rise in separatist movements and pushes for local autonomy. The first step is for them to untangle themselves from the EU.[/quote]
Yea, a plan needs to be in place from the get go. I know from my perspective in the USA I’d rather have something in place where assimilation is rewarded and refusal is punished to at least reduce the ill effects of having immigrants that have no desire to assimilate, learn the language, and contribute to the country they moved to. Or at least develop some propaganda promoting it.
I don’t know the numbers. I do see the stories where some white guy grows a beard and joins a jihad movement. I think as far as IS, a lot of that is disgruntled teens and 20 somethings that are either immigrants or first generation French/British/whatever. Definitely a huge problem in either case. And I think if you make that decision, you need to be marked for life and not be allowed back in. I haven’t been able to read any in depth analysis of how the Europeans are handling their citizens who joined IS but now want out. I’ve only seen it presented as a problem.
Good points. I had in my mind a serious by the book Catholic. But it appears most are not by the book anymore, more “cafeteria Catholic” types.
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
England will shortly be in a similar situation, and after they are done with us, they will come for you. My recommendations:
Consider a cessation of new immigration from troubled areas for a time (say 50 years) to permit time for integration. Enforce the borders and deport illegal immigrants post-haste.
Consider getting over PC nonsense and setting out to rid yourselves of minor-sex-trafficking immigrants, imans who preach hate, and the like. Be bold and quick about returning criminals and malcontents to their home countries, regardless of family situations and other excuses.
Greatly reduce the dole and condition the dole on things like English classes, English history classes, and useful jobs and skills. I really didn’t speak English when I arrived in the USA (Hebrew, French, Yiddish and high school English and Arabic). Seem to do fine, now. My accent is mistaken for English by everyone that is not English, and they think I am Irish. It’s not that hard, and should be expected of any immigrant.
Sharia schools paid for by taxes should be closed, and focus on integration. If they want religious schools, well, get together and pay for them with your own private money like us Jewish folk.
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This is from the “Killing Joke” thread but I think it makes as much sense or more sense to post it here. This is what I’m talking about re: having a plan in place and not diffusing responsibility. This applies to any immigrant population not just Muslims. It’s not a perfect solution for all scenarios (e.g.; it’s not feasible to deport all illegal Latino immigrants in the USA) but gets to the point about how important integration is to maintaining a stable, coherent, and productive society.
I’m a first generation American and have no ingrained ill will toward immigrants and believe (and see) many immigrants are doing great things. I believe in contributing and assimilating into wherever you decide to live. Ideally this is the responsibility of the individual, but there’s nothing wrong with taking a proactive approach to encourage it in a manner that isn’t racist or condescending.