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Ethics of Gay Abortions

[quote]Disability advocates have expressed concern about the use of selective abortions to screen out the disabled. They note that they had a right to be born.

Now that a widely publicized study has suggested that homosexuality might be an inherited trait, some bloggers have started to question if abortion would be used to screen out homosexuality from the population.

The BBC is reporting that a man’s sexual orientation may be determined by conditions in the womb.

That leads to two interesting questions.

Just as we treat other pre-natal conditions, should we not treat this condition as any other illness?

For those that are pro-choice, should we not offer screening for pregnant woman so that they can make a choice like they do with many other fetal conditions?[/quote]
Science is so wonderful.

Any woman who aborts a child solely because it is GAY, deserves to be run over by a small truck, over and over and over…

I can’t see many people doing this.

But anyways, I doubt we’ll be able to find concrete genetic evidence of a “gay gene”.

Even if we do, most women will just have the kid and try to “force” him to be heterosexual. Set up a few games of doctor, give em’ there first porno mags a bit early, ect…

[quote]Beowolf wrote:

She wasn’t sentenced to abort because shes not ready, she was sentenced to abort because that’s what her parents wished.

And why the fuck should society pick up the bill for some fuck up a little girl made? Thats her PARENTS job, not societies.[/quote]
However, you condone abortion when it could lead to a bigger tax return.

You must be an atheist.

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

She wasn’t sentenced to abort because shes not ready, she was sentenced to abort because that’s what her parents wished.

And why the fuck should society pick up the bill for some fuck up a little girl made? Thats her PARENTS job, not societies.
However, you condone abortion when it could lead to a bigger tax return.

You must be an atheist.
[/quote]

Or an economist.

Subsidise unwanted pregnancies and get more of it.

Moral hazard and so on.

[quote]orion wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

She wasn’t sentenced to abort because shes not ready, she was sentenced to abort because that’s what her parents wished.

And why the fuck should society pick up the bill for some fuck up a little girl made? Thats her PARENTS job, not societies.
However, you condone abortion when it could lead to a bigger tax return.

You must be an atheist.

Or an economist.

Subsidise unwanted pregnancies and get more of it.

Moral hazard and so on.[/quote]
Of course you think allowing a child to live is immoral. That’s been established already.

“The evil mind, devoid of conscience, is capable of anything.”
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:gWNx7gQPyWIJ:rechten.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/departments/Algemeen/overigepublicaties/2005enouder/EVIL_COM/EVIL_COM.pdf+evil+mind,+devoid+of+conscience+is+capable+of+anything&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Maybe they’re right. On the other abortion thread I have been taught that it is better for a baby to not be born at all rather than face a life of difficulty. Until gays reach the state of equality that they seek, maybe it is better for no more of them to be born.

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
orion wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

She wasn’t sentenced to abort because shes not ready, she was sentenced to abort because that’s what her parents wished.

And why the fuck should society pick up the bill for some fuck up a little girl made? Thats her PARENTS job, not societies.
However, you condone abortion when it could lead to a bigger tax return.

You must be an atheist.

Or an economist.

Subsidise unwanted pregnancies and get more of it.

Moral hazard and so on.
Of course you think allowing a child to live is immoral. That’s been established already.

“The evil mind, devoid of conscience, is capable of anything.”
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:gWNx7gQPyWIJ:rechten.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/departments/Algemeen/overigepublicaties/2005enouder/EVIL_COM/EVIL_COM.pdf+evil+mind,+devoid+of+conscience+is+capable+of+anything&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
[/quote]

That is not the point.

If you think unwanted pregnancies are bad, why pay to get more?

Beside the fact that you hardly have the right to spend other peoples money on your ideas.

Plus the real bad ones are good people. Their conscience cheers them on while they are doing incredibly stupid and shortsighted things.

I like evil people better.

[quote]Cunnivore wrote:
Maybe they’re right. On the other abortion thread I have been taught that it is better for a baby to not be born at all rather than face a life of difficulty. Until gays reach the state of equality that they seek, maybe it is better for no more of them to be born.[/quote]

I have no public opinion on any of this.

Do whatever you want, I careth not.

Just do not ask the government to enforce or finance your position.

[quote]orion wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
orion wrote:
Juan Blanco wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

She wasn’t sentenced to abort because shes not ready, she was sentenced to abort because that’s what her parents wished.

And why the fuck should society pick up the bill for some fuck up a little girl made? Thats her PARENTS job, not societies.
However, you condone abortion when it could lead to a bigger tax return.

You must be an atheist.

Or an economist.

Subsidise unwanted pregnancies and get more of it.

Moral hazard and so on.
Of course you think allowing a child to live is immoral. That’s been established already.

“The evil mind, devoid of conscience, is capable of anything.”
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:gWNx7gQPyWIJ:rechten.eldoc.ub.rug.nl/FILES/departments/Algemeen/overigepublicaties/2005enouder/EVIL_COM/EVIL_COM.pdf+evil+mind,+devoid+of+conscience+is+capable+of+anything&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

That is not the point.

If you think unwanted pregnancies are bad, why pay to get more?

Beside the fact that you hardly have the right to spend other peoples money on your ideas.

Plus the real bad ones are good people. Their conscience cheers them on while they are doing incredibly stupid and shortsighted things.

I like evil people better.[/quote]

That is exactly the point. You are happy to exchange human life for money.

You like evil people better because water tends to seek it’s own level.

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:

That is exactly the point. You are happy to exchange human life for money.
[/quote]

Well, so are you.

So is everybody.

Car traffic, airplanes, electricty, we have safety precautions but not so many that they make those things prohibitively expensive.

Wellcome to the real world.

Thank you!

Plus, you want to be “good” with other peoples money, the cheapest way there is.

Financially and morally.

[quote]orion wrote:
Well, so are you.

So is everybody.

Car traffic, airplanes, electricty, we have safety precautions but not so many that they make those things prohibitively expensive.

Wellcome to the real world.[/quote]

You forgot firearms. Does your moral relativism apply to guns also?

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
orion wrote:
Well, so are you.

So is everybody.

Car traffic, airplanes, electricty, we have safety precautions but not so many that they make those things prohibitively expensive.

Wellcome to the real world.

You forgot firearms. Does your moral relativism apply to guns also?

[/quote]

Do I think that people have the right to bear arms?

Absolutely.

[quote]orion wrote:
Beside the fact that you hardly have the right to spend other peoples money on your ideas.

I like evil people better.[/quote]

[quote]Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
They will leave you drifting in the shallows
Drowning in the oceans of history
Traveling the world, you’re in search of no good
But I’m sure you’ll build your Sodom like you knew you would
Using all the good people for your galley slaves
As your little boat struggles through the warning waves
-World Party[/quote]
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/world-party-ship-of-fools-save-me-from-tomorrow-lyrics.html

[quote]Juan Blanco wrote:
orion wrote:
Beside the fact that you hardly have the right to spend other peoples money on your ideas.

I like evil people better.

Avarice and greed are gonna drive you over the endless sea
They will leave you drifting in the shallows
Drowning in the oceans of history
Traveling the world, you’re in search of no good
But I’m sure you’ll build your Sodom like you knew you would
Using all the good people for your galley slaves
As your little boat struggles through the warning waves
-World Party
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/world-party-ship-of-fools-save-me-from-tomorrow-lyrics.html [/quote]

I wonder how I will get all that heavily armed good people to work as my galley slaves?

Convince them they work for the common good I guess…

I doubt that “study” is at all accurate.

Maybe liking breasts more than asses is genetic, or liking asians more than white girls, or liking BDSM is genetic.

After all, it would make sense that all sexual turn ons would be genetic, right?

[quote]orion wrote:
I wonder how I will get all that heavily armed good people to work as my galley slaves?

Convince them they work for the common good I guess…[/quote]

Sounds like a plan, comrade.
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I doubt that “study” is at all accurate.[/quote]

The concepts of Jules Vernes weren’t terribly accurate either.