Spaced evenly through the day as possible.
largest dose preworkout.
I wouldn’t say impressive.
I would say its feels like anavar, only significantly weaker.
Very clean, no side effects, nice anti e effect so you look dry, slow gains, decent strength boost, nice pump.
Its a good “PH” one of the better they have made.
What other PH/PS would you rate as being some of the better ones? I value your opinion in the steroid forum massively.
As for the original poster:
I ran a havoc (same as epistane) cycle not to long ago at 20/30/40/40 (30 on last day) and am actually half way through the PCT at present. I definatly gained a lot of mass and strength over the cycle… however Im not sure if I can attribute all of this to the havoc. My sleep and diet hadnt been spot on for a couple of months prior (uni can be a bitch) and during the cycle I went apeshit with sleep and ate a metric shit tonne.
My diet was pretty much:
- 6 meals a day
- 30-50g protein a meal
- 3500-4500 calories roughly a day
- No junk (sweets/icream etc… although occasionally I might down a litre of chocolate milk if I was in a hurry).
Easily gained a comfortable 15lbs… a bit too much fat gain for my liking but its starting to come off with my PCT.
Strength… I had plateaued at a 102.5kg bench for about 2 months. By the end of the cycle I was conventional benching 110kg for 4 reps… 2 weeks into PCT today I just close gripped 115kg for 3…
Squat from 100kgx3 up to 4x115kg
Everything else was up.
One of the more interesting things for me was the fact that my dips/pullups increased in total volume (as well as my max) ever so slightly from week to week despite the large mass gain.
The training I was doing was WS4SB3 with the only difference being the RE work after the ME lift on ME upper day was switched to 4x6-10 with 3-4 min rest periods. Cardio went out the window but I tried to keep NEPA up with some mobility work and lots of walking/cyling around campus/town.
By the end of the cycle I was so damn chuffed I ordered another two bottles on the spot. Tempted to buy a third and run 2 cycles at 40/40/40/40 just to see what happens (biggest gains happened in the last two weeks which were dosed at 40mg).[/quote]
Like I said 40 is the sweet spot for most users, this is not only reading logs, but the company rep actually stated this as his recommendation as well.
Its a good PH because its very effective, very clean, almost no sides, cheap, and dare I say it, not as risky or dangerous as 99% of the past stuff.
Not to mention its anti-e properties can be used to combat gyno in many cases.
The other decent PH’s are in order of strength and sideeffects:
Superdrol, superdrol clones, mdrol, etc, methyl masterone, very good cutter and clean bulker, strongest currently on market. Many users report sides, I feel the sides are completely over exaggerated.
Pheraplex, pplex, etc, which is DMT, an oldschool designer steroid. Very simiar to superdrol in terms of gains, slightly less gains, slightly fewer sides. Agian sides are massively overstated. Main advantage is that it is a type I androgen, as where most PH’s are type II.
(Havoc/epistane) are also type I.
Hdrol, halodrol clones, etc. It is Oral Turinabol, which is a straight up steroid sold and used commonly in cycles. Designed for the Russian athletics programs way back when.
Clean gains, strength, increased cardio and aerobic capacity, very good. Almost no sides.
Hdrol is my favorite PH on the market right now, I recommend it highly, its a very good drug, and almost all users are happy with it as both a bulker and a cutter.
Bold, 1,4AD, Bold 200, Bold 400 etc, Boldenone based, very very good, the only actual Prohormone by definition. All others are simply steroids disguised as something else
Bold converts to boldenone, it acts just like boldenone obviously, very clean, increased appetite, lean gains, decent strength.
Only problem is that it needs to be run at very high doses to actually be effective, I forget the conversion ratio, I posted it in waif’s thread I believe, I think it was 80% or so, but a useful cycle would be quite expensive.
And a Boldenone only cycle will not produce huge mass or strength gains, although it will provide modest amounts of both.
Check the Prohormone sticky for more info.
It has most of the PH’s still legal listed, just stay the hell away from anything progestin, dienolone, or progesterone based, no one really knows much about those compounds.
They are a recipie for weird problems that simple SERM PCT’s cant deal with.
If your looking into your next cycle I highly recommend Hdrol, possibly even stacked with havoc/epistane. But certainly as a standalone it is good enough for anyone.
stacking would be a double meythl stack but for 6 weeks it should be fine if you dont drink, and havoc/epistane is not as toxic as most methyls.
Hdrol performs best at 75-100mg/day.
If stacking I would probably go 75mg hdrol / 30mg havoc.
Prohormones are stepping stones to real gear, dont forget that.