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Epi or Hdrol?


#1

I'm currently planning my first cycle and was originally going to run epi for four-six weeks because i had an unopened bottle, but i've been reading up on the forums and (correct me if im wrong) it sounds like hdrol is much safer/more mild than epi and thus a better choice than epi for a first cycle.

Is hdrol that much safer that i should go out and buy hdrol even when having a bottle of epi on me right now?

thank you for any and all feedback


#2

stats


#3

6'1 190 10-12% bf
i'm coming off of a 10 week cut, so i have no idea what my maxs are at the moment
pre cut they were bench - 285 squat - 335


#4

A few cycle suggestions just for something to consider.

EPI works best at 30-40mg people seem to agree for 4 weeks roughly.

HDROL is happier at higher doses - anything below 75mg seems to have little effect at all. Longer cycles of about 6 weeks for this product.

The two can be stacked together for a type 1 and type 2 synergy. They are both hepatoxic however - although are two of the milder compounds so you can get away with it if you are careful with your
liver support.

Nolva/any other SERM PCT of course.

EPI Only:
30-40mg ED, 4 weeks

HDROL Only:
75-100mg ED, 5-6 weeks

EPI and HDROL stack:
Cycle 1:
- Epi 30-40mg ED, 5-6 weeks
- Hdrol 75-100mg ED, 5-6 weeks

Cycle 2:
- Epi 30-40mg ED, week 1 to week 4
- Hdrol 75-100mg ED, week 1 to 6

Cycle Im planning late this year when my shoulder is healed - or possibly early next year:

Week 1 CEL Cycle assist
Week 2 Havoc 40mg, Hdrol 75mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 3 Havoc 40mg, Hdrol 75mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 4 Havoc 40mg, Hdrol 75mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 5 Havoc 40mg, Hdrol 75mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 6 Hdrol 100mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 7 Hdrol 100mg, CEL Cycle assist
Week 8 Nolvadex 40mg, TRIBEX Gold, ZMA, CEL Cycle assist
Week 9 Nolvadex 40mg, TRIBEX Gold, ZMA, CEL Cycle assist
Week 10 Nolvadex 20mg, Alha male, ZMA, CEL Cycle assist
Week 11 Nolvadex 20mg, Alpa male, ZMA, CEL Cycle assist
Week 12 Alpha Male, ZMA, CEL Cycle assist
Week 13 Alpha Male, ZMA
Week 14 TRIBEX Gold, ZMA
Week 15 TRIBEX Gold, ZMA
Week 16 ZMA
Week 17 ZMA

To save money:
Weeks 10/11 TRIBEX is optional
ZMA is optional throughout although I seem to respond well to this.
Havoc may be reduced down to 30mg
CEL cycle assist in weeks 8-12 may be replaced with a cheaper milk thistle supp.

Its quite heavy on the PCT side but only because I want to bounce back ASAP.