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Ephedrine at Gas Station

Hey guys,

I just got some gas at a gas station that reopened the store part after being closed for about 1.5 years. Inside they were cleaning out the closed and came across a case of ephedrine while I was there…Im not sure if this stuff is any good but I bought the case of 300 pills for 10 bucks. The active ingredients are as follows.

ephedrine HCI 25mg
guaifenesin 200mg

is this stuff any good or junk?

If it is any good, what would be the best way to cycle it? Thanks for the help…
MIKE

Let me guess, You bought out the last supply of the Mini-Thins??? I believe those had an expiration date… Little pink bottles, right?

nope they are called “MINI ephedrine” put out by BDI marketing, they came in little blue packets with 6 tablets in each

[quote]sqazito419 wrote:
nope they are called “MINI ephedrine” put out by BDI marketing, they came in little blue packets with 6 tablets in each[/quote]

I use those. I like them too. They are still sold here at all gas stations.

Good yes, never have been banned.

They have those where I live ( south Fl. ) but they’re more for breathing or something to that extent.

[quote]MODOK wrote:
BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
They have those where I live ( south Fl. ) but they’re more for breathing or something to that extent.

Actually ALL ephedrine are bronchodialators, thats the indication for the drug through the FDA. The thermogenesis is jus a nice side effect of the beta adrenergic agents. I use the gas station stuff myself; always have. Its USP standardized, and you know you are getting 25 mg of ephedrine, whereas with the herbal form of ephedra, its totally up to the supplement company’s quality control.
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Along with that, the guaifenesin is an expectorant. That means it helps release and remove phlegm from the airway. That is why it is sold as a breathing aid.

What would be the best way to take these to burn fat? should it be stacked with caffeine? or just taken alone?

[quote]sqazito419 wrote:
What would be the best way to take these to burn fat? should it be stacked with caffeine? or just taken alone? [/quote]

Tape a long curved stick to your back and hang a pill from a string in front of you just out of arms length.

Then go run and try to grab the pill.

sounds good , thanks…

[quote]sqazito419 wrote:
What would be the best way to take these to burn fat? should it be stacked with caffeine? or just taken alone? [/quote]

25mg Eph tablet, 250 mg caffeine, and 300mg aspririn. Although some think the Aspirin is useless without explaining what its supposed to do, if you tollerate it, take some.

Aspirin unforuntely gives me hives, any pressure point like where a belt might rub on my waste, I get a fookin big welt when on Aspirin.

Thanks!

[quote]Dr. Stig wrote:
sqazito419 wrote:
What would be the best way to take these to burn fat? should it be stacked with caffeine? or just taken alone?

25mg Eph tablet, 250 mg caffeine, and 300mg aspririn. Although some think the Aspirin is useless without explaining what its supposed to do, if you tollerate it, take some.

Aspirin unforuntely gives me hives, any pressure point like where a belt might rub on my waste, I get a fookin big welt when on Aspirin.
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The aspirin does not aid in thermogenesis.

I have heard people at the gym say to pass on the aspirin , some say only the obese need it and others say it doesnt work if you don’t include it…I have yet to get a clear answer. I guess I will cross that bridge when I eventually decide to lower my BF% again .

[quote]MODOK wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dr. Stig wrote:
sqazito419 wrote:
What would be the best way to take these to burn fat? should it be stacked with caffeine? or just taken alone?

25mg Eph tablet, 250 mg caffeine, and 300mg aspririn. Although some think the Aspirin is useless without explaining what its supposed to do, if you tollerate it, take some.

Aspirin unforuntely gives me hives, any pressure point like where a belt might rub on my waste, I get a fookin big welt when on Aspirin.

The aspirin does not aid in thermogenesis.

Very true. I can’t see any good reason to take the aspirin in the stack. It will work just as well with just the E/C. I would start out with 12.5 of epehedrine and 100 mg of caffeine though, three times daily…especially if you are naive to it or are under 200 lbs. Then you can increase it. It can knock your socks off, so be sure not to take the last dose any later than 6 pm or so.
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I will probably try that route as I have never tried ephedrine before and seeing how 1 Spike tablet sends me into a frenzy…
Thanks

I thought the aspirin thinned the blood to make the E and C work for longer. maybe improve the half life or slow the effects or something.

then again, this was an anecdote I picked up from god knows where and may be along the lines of stoner mythology,

ie, “dude, weed speeds up your metabolism and thats why you get the munchies” and “pot is a healing drug, man, boosts your immune system”

jesus you hear some stupid shit when you smoke. if i could only remember some good ones lol . . .

[quote]milktruck wrote:
I thought the aspirin thinned the blood to make the E and C work for longer. maybe improve the half life or slow the effects or something.

then again, this was an anecdote I picked up from god knows where and may be along the lines of stoner mythology,

ie, “dude, weed speeds up your metabolism and thats why you get the munchies” and “pot is a healing drug, man, boosts your immune system”

jesus you hear some stupid shit when you smoke. if i could only remember some good ones lol . . .[/quote]

You don’t necessarily feel more jazzed up by adding aspirin.

Supposedly and in pretty basic terms the salycilate (aspirin) is supposed to inhibit the negative feedback loop that would reduce beta agonist production.

It inhibits prostaglandin production and lengthens the effects.

It’s not supposed to increase the thermogenic action (elevate temp) or provide more stimulatory effect, just prolong it a bit more.

Caffeines role amongst other things increase cAMP levels can be prolonged too by the use of processed grapefruit extract ‘naragenin’ which slow the rate that the hepatic system converts caffeine to para-xanthine.

[quote]MODOK wrote:
milktruck wrote:
I thought the aspirin thinned the blood to make the E and C work for longer. maybe improve the half life or slow the effects or something.

then again, this was an anecdote I picked up from god knows where and may be along the lines of stoner mythology,

ie, “dude, weed speeds up your metabolism and thats why you get the munchies” and “pot is a healing drug, man, boosts your immune system”

jesus you hear some stupid shit when you smoke. if i could only remember some good ones lol . . .

The “blood thinning” was the theory, and is still the reason why people include it, but it doesn’t increase the thermogenesis of the combination at all. Asprin doesn’t actually make the blood thinner, it inhibits platelet aggregation by a inhibiting platelet cyclo-oxygenase. It makes the blood less succeptible to clotting, and will make you more prone to bruising, especially at 300 mg/day. If you don’t have a medical reason to take it, I’d save the asprin for a hangover.

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Some of the original evidence to suggest aspirin was beneficial to those with heart and circulation probs were attributed to the magnesium base the aspirin was contained in.