[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
As far as I know, that lifting of the ban was only in Utah. Actually, this was discussed a while back pretty thoroughly:
As far as making HOT-ROX with ephedra in it, it defeats the purpose of us ever having made HOT-ROX. We began developing HOT-ROX long before ephedra was ever banned. Tim had a conference with Bill and myself and wanted to develop a product that would make ephedra obsolete in terms of efficacy and safety. The original article explains a great deal of this. With HOT-ROX, you don’t have to worry about beta 2-adrenergic down-regulation, nor excessive cardiac stimulation nor increase blood pressure due to lack of selectivity when it comes to ephedrine’s adrenergic effects. You’re also improving endogenous thyroid hormone levels. In terms of altering body composition, it’s hard to argue that ephedra or ephedrine is more effective. In terms of an anorectic effect from ephedra and the CNS stimulatory effects, one can make a case for ephedra being more effective and rightly so as there is at least one amphetamine-like compound in the alkaloid extracts.
All of that aside, adding ephedra to the current HOT-ROX formula would require dropping out at least one of the compounds due to possible interactions.
Again, the reason we developed HOT-ROX was to have a product which had greater overall efficacy and safety than ephedra products and I think we succeeded. The fact that HOT-ROX and its’ related products have been so successful in terms of sales over the years, while other products designed to replace/exceed ephedra products are now off the shelves or were ditched long ago, I think, is supportive of that. Furthermore, I believe the success of the product has opened doors for it to be sold on a much wider scale than any other previous products.
Again though, in terms of psychiatric effects and CNS stimulation, I’d admit that ephedra is superior, but most people simply aren’t seeking such a product when it comes to losing fat.
On April 14, 2005, Federal Judge Tena Campbell reversed the ephedra ban ruling sending it back to the FDA to determine safe usage levels. If the FDA wants to continue to ban the product, they will have to show proof that the product is harmful at the manufacturers recommended doses. Obviously this has been over 10 months ago and I still do not see any ephedra products back on the market.
I figured that once this ban was lifted the Metabolife companies of the world would be selling just about anything with ephedra in it to help 275 pound women the chance to weigh 125 pounds again without jumping on the treadmill and putting down their McNuggets. To be honest back in the day I used Hydroxycut and Xenadrine with pretty good success.
Anyway, recently, while searching for some new supplements I noticed that there are a few companys that are offering “designer imposter” type ephedra products that are supposed to be just as good as the Hydroxycuts and Xenadrine of old. For example, Superdrine RX-10 (Xenadrine knockoff), Ripped Power (Ripped Fuel knockoff)and Firelean.
I have been pretty faithful to Biotest products for quite some time and they have never failed to live up to their promises but I am just wondering if anyone has tried any of these knock-offs with any success.
Also, just wondering that seeing how the ephedra ban has been lifted how come Biotest does not reformulate their HOT-ROX supplement to include ephedra? I guess that’s all for now. I look forward to what you all have to say.
Thanks for the post regarding my topic. I appologize for being redundant and bringing up a topic that was discussed so long ago. I must have missed that topic in the archives during my readings on the T-Nation website.
I look forward to trying the HOT-ROX in the next couple of months when my Alpha Male supply runs out. Thanks again for setting me straight!