Those factors can all be corrected without the introduction of pharmaceuticuals. But for now throw some 1-ad in there and I’m very very happy. I’m only 21 and I don’t see the need to cause that much “possible” damage to my HPTA axis along with all the other possible sides e.g. gyno, hair loss, liver and prostate problems, etc.
I’m aware that if a cycle is done correctly most of the side effects can be alleviated but you still run a risk. So not seeing the need and being content with my current physique progression why should I throw roids in?
PP, I’m confused. Have you run any cycles of 1-AD? Because many of the sides you are talking about can be experienced with 1-AD. Sure, it doesn’t aromatize to estrogen (hence, no gyno), but most folks run it with 4-AD or some form of test (which both aromatize) to keep the libido up and offset the lethargy. I have seen very few folks who do it solo. And I’ve seen loads of complaints about 1-AD causing hairloss. And it will shut you down just as hard and you have to run PCT.
If you are using prohormones you basically are using a form of steroids. (The DEA sees it that way too)
Yes; you can officially classify me as a hypocrite that is/was aware of his decision.
Where to start.
When I first heard about andro I was still in high school. I was green to lifting and was advised to buy a few supplements; one of which was “poppers.” I’m sure you’re probably all familiar with it. Once I did my research on it and found out how it worked I naturally flipped out. I had quite the placebo effect when I took it as did my friends b/c we thought it was some SUPER substance w/near magical properties that would also make us “roid rage.”
Fast-forward a few years I was researching it more and more b/c…well it intrigued me. That’s actually how I found T-Nation; I think I just plugged testosterone into google or something.
I’m well aware that while 1-ad it is not a steroid; it is a steroid precursor meaning that once it’s in the body it is converted to 1-testosterone (referring to carbon positions). I’m also aware that the main target of 4-ad was its converstion to testosterone. But an old article by Biotest went something like this:
“Our snazzy Biotest scientists discovered that there is actually a higher concentration of 4-ad circulating in the blood than testosterone!”
Or something like that.
Anyways: I first became interested in 1-ad after I read Big Cat’s article on it another website which I will not mention out of respect/moderation. I’m sure a lot of you might have read the review.
So once upon a time I was buying protein powder and then saw the as Pat Arnold dubbed it the “holy grail” of andro products. Or maybe he wrote “In quest of the holy grail.” Anyways I bought it. The results were…impressive. I stacked it with androsol the first time around.
Since then I haven’t stacked it with anything else and have tried different cycling protocols but have generally just done 3 week cycles. I tried 1 week on and 1 week off for about 6 weeks at one point. That’s a really good way to go about if one is under a lot of stress; or has a very active job. I also tried a 5 week cycle once (2 weeks on MAG-10 and 3 weeks on 1-ad) and the results were “HOLY COW!” When I finished the cycle though I couldn’t even bench press for a week though b/c every muscle group in my body was just sore as can be.
See this thread:
Most of the time though I’ve just done 3 week cycles. I chose that b/c that’s how long a bottle lasts corresponding to the dosage I take.
I should mention that I’ve never taken more than 300mg/day. Others I’ve read have used up to 3x that amount.
As far as side effects: I haven’t experienced the lethargy. I think my libido does go down a bit while I’m on it and a bit when I come off of it. The only significantly noticeable side effect is that I usually will get joint pain around my forearm/elbow. But I feel so much stronger when I lift; as in I look forward to squatting b/c i just feel more “stable.” I hope some of you can relate. Plus my strength just goes THROUGH THE ROOF when I"m on it. So far right now (I one week off a 3-week cycle) I’ve kept my strength gains. I took an off week from the gym once I finished it though.
So yes I’m aware it’s a class 1 androgen that binds tightly to the AR and causes suppression very fast. I’m aware it can convert to DHT and cause hair loss. I’m also aware that it can cause the other sides you mentioned b/c an increase in 1-test will supress regular test levels (thus many people take the 4-ad to compensate for this to elevate T).
I’ve never run PCT on it. I might give 6-oxo a run next time but I want to see how Carbolin 19 works (I’m a sceptic b/c the study cited was not done on previously weight-trained individuals if I remember correctly), but it did still out-perform anavar). And yes I read Bill Roberts post on 6-oxo and had a small discussion about what happened in their clinical study on it. Even Alpha Male might be worth a shot but I’d like to read a study on it first (like Biotest put out for the original TRIBEX-500).
I hope that answers your question. Sorry for the long post and my delayed reply.