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Enough PCT for 4wk Epistane Cycle?


I'm going to start my Epistane cycle in couple of hours,

I have 54 Tamoxifen tablets, 10 mg each.

I was going to lay out the PCT like this:

week 5: 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 - 28 tabs
Week 6: 30 30 30 20 20 20 20 - 17 tabs
Week 7: 20 20 10 10 10 10 10 - 9 tabs

Will that be sufficient?

Last year I ran the same cycle, and used 63 tabs, as follows:

week 5: 40 40 40 40 40 40 40
week 6: 30 30 30 30 30 30 30
Week 7: 20 20 20 20 20 20 20


Pretty sure it'll do.


Alrighty thanks.

Last 2 weeks of my PCT i'll be going to florida for a holiday, hopefully I can take my tamoxifen on the plane with me.


Put it in an aspirin bottle.


Why even do a cycle if youre going to be on vacation during PCT. PCT is the most important time when it comes to retaining gains. Diet and traning needs to be as close to perfect as possible and youre going to be away from your routine for 14 days. Not a good idea IMO.


Also theres no reason I can think of why a person from the UK would use a drug like this when you have real stuff available.


My villa is next to a Gold's Gym and a Walmart, so the diet/training will be fine. I'll take a few protein shakes to the theme parks and I can always grab some Turkey legs (going to disney), as long as I just eat as much as I can, the 8 hours of walking every day will off-set any extra fat gain.

Also I'm not planning on taking the 'real stuff' since there is less room for error than with a Epistane/Havoc cycle, and I'm far too ignorant about it at this time, I need to do a lot more research on it first.

Plus... It's out of my price range, a cycle of epistane only costs $80

[Edit] I suppose an Anavar cycle would of been a better choice


Probably also 5-10 times as much $


No offense, but it's a bit silly to be afraid of AAS and take prohormones instead. Don't be fooled into thinking that something legal must be safer than something illegal. When it comes to safety/efficacy studies, there's no contest. AAS have been medically prescribed since the 1930's and there's not a whole lot we don't know about them. Prohormones are relatively new, little-studied, and totally unregulated (other than the ones that are explicitly illegal in the U.S.) Your choice but I don't mess with PH.


Safety is not my reason at all, an Epistance cycle requires two items: Nolvadex or clomid, and Epistane.

If I was going to do a proper AAS cycle, I'd use Testosterone Ethanate, so I would need to know how to inject properly, I'd need some ethanol, needles, syringes. I'd need to know what to do if an injection went wrong, the signs of a bad injection etc.

I would then do a test stasis and a taper, so I'd be doing this for 20 weeks, also I'd need to buy some Adex, possibly some Proviron, Caber and HCG depending on how I react to it.

So yeah, way more room for error, so it is not as 'safe' in that regard.

But I wasn't worried about safety in the first place, It's more about the cost and practicality side of it.


I disagree.

Quite a few people have gotten ED from havoc that lasted months after the cycle ended. That's not 'supposed' to happen. But it has. Im not saying havoc is a terrible idea, but its certainly not a better idea than using real gear.


For a test e cycle you would probably only need test, syringes, nolvadex, adex, and google. I appreciate you actually thinking through this though and can respect that. Just remember, far less intelligent individuals have run cycles and been fine. Not saying' it's right or that I condone taking gear lightly, but when things do go wrong with aas, at least there a ton of info out there at your disposal, which is not the case with most ph's.


Is that your girlfriend in your avatar b?


I used that image to help activate my glutes in my deadlifts today =O


Test + AI + SERM is all you need for a first cycle. No clue why you think caber is appropriate to even consider. Proviron is a useless drug for the recreational drug user.

stasis taper is not recommended imo


Nope...client of mine....we meet up every 8 weeks or so when she comes into town to get her hair done.


gigolo or hair dresser?


Hair DESIGNER my friend lol. Best business for tapping strange on a regular basis other than maybe personal training.


lol... some personal trainer at my gym just chopped off his thumb yesterday reracking a dumbell. Put his hand on the lower rack to replace the dumbell with the other hand, the hand slipped off right as he was putting it down and it severed his thumb entirely off.

A little off topic, but he might end up getting lucky because of that.


Holy shit! Let's hope he gets lucky or that it wasn't the hand he beats his pecker with....never tried it with a "false" grip before, can't be good though