Enough Booze Enough?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
it’s all the same. [/quote]

No, not really, not even remotely close, but I’m not going to argue with you about.

You just keep on keeping on.[/quote]

Obviously there are is differences between ingesting a foreign substance and causing a chemical reaction in the brain through an activity or satiation, but the underlying idea is that it’s different for everyone in terms of what they are able to enjoy responsibly, I’ve never done cocaine nor have I ever wanted to, but I am no stranger to the depths of internet porn, the negative consequences of overindulgence may manifest themselves much quicker with one addiction as opposed to another, but lacking the ability to cope with reality or properly deal with past experiences or feelings is the root of the problem. [/quote]

Heroin/Morphine etc causes enormous physical suffering when withdrawn from the addict. People have had seizures and died from benzodiazepam withdrawals. Alcoholics can have delirium tremens. Drug addiction is not all in the mind.
[/quote]

I’ve read that opiates and Alcohol are the ONLY PHYSICALLY addicting drugs out there. I agree that drug addiction is not all in the mind. But as far as “dangerous physical withdrawal symptoms” I think there are very few drugs that fall in this category (i.e. alcohol/opiates).

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You may have a problem, but not nearly as bad as this guy:

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
I’ve read that opiates and Alcohol are the ONLY PHYSICALLY addicting drugs out there. I agree that drug addiction is not all in the mind. But as far as “dangerous physical withdrawal symptoms” I think there are very few drugs that fall in this category (i.e. alcohol/opiates).[/quote]

I’d like to see a real source that supports this. For a contra example:

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[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
it’s all the same. [/quote]

No, not really, not even remotely close, but I’m not going to argue with you about.

You just keep on keeping on.[/quote]

Obviously there are is differences between ingesting a foreign substance and causing a chemical reaction in the brain through an activity or satiation, but the underlying idea is that it’s different for everyone in terms of what they are able to enjoy responsibly, I’ve never done cocaine nor have I ever wanted to, but I am no stranger to the depths of internet porn, the negative consequences of overindulgence may manifest themselves much quicker with one addiction as opposed to another, but lacking the ability to cope with reality or properly deal with past experiences or feelings is the root of the problem. [/quote]

Heroin/Morphine etc causes enormous physical suffering when withdrawn from the addict. People have had seizures and died from benzodiazepam withdrawals. Alcoholics can have delirium tremens. Drug addiction is not all in the mind.
[/quote]

A chemical dependency can be developed, but if you want to truly conquer the disease/addiction you have to attack the issues that drew you to it in first place along with eliminating it from your lifestyle, this is all I’m saying, if you don’t attack the root of the problem it just comes up in another form, that’s what I mean when I say it’s all the same, dated a girl that was a tremendous coke head and weed addict, cut out drugs, but then became an alcoholic, she still lacked self-control or took responsibility for her actions.
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Doesn’t this just go back to addiction itself being a “disease”? There are different ways to fulfill ones addictive nature, and I think thats basically what you are pointing out.

So what do we do if we are known to have this “disease”? Simply stay away from ALL drugs? won’t it manifest itself no matter what? (gambling, addicted to food etc.)

How do we rid ourselves of the “disease” and not just the drug?

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Or this guy:

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I’m just messing with you, sen. If you’ve got it under control, more power to ya.

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Lanky, you’re f’in killing me.

That’s hilarious.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
it’s all the same. [/quote]

No, not really, not even remotely close, but I’m not going to argue with you about.

You just keep on keeping on.[/quote]

Obviously there are is differences between ingesting a foreign substance and causing a chemical reaction in the brain through an activity or satiation, but the underlying idea is that it’s different for everyone in terms of what they are able to enjoy responsibly, I’ve never done cocaine nor have I ever wanted to, but I am no stranger to the depths of internet porn, the negative consequences of overindulgence may manifest themselves much quicker with one addiction as opposed to another, but lacking the ability to cope with reality or properly deal with past experiences or feelings is the root of the problem. [/quote]

Heroin/Morphine etc causes enormous physical suffering when withdrawn from the addict. People have had seizures and died from benzodiazepam withdrawals. Alcoholics can have delirium tremens. Drug addiction is not all in the mind.
[/quote]

I’ve read that opiates and Alcohol are the ONLY PHYSICALLY addicting drugs out there. I agree that drug addiction is not all in the mind. But as far as “dangerous physical withdrawal symptoms” I think there are very few drugs that fall in this category (i.e. alcohol/opiates).[/quote]

Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndromeâ??often abbreviated to benzo withdrawalâ??is the cluster of symptoms that emerge when a person who has taken benzodiazepines and has developed a physical dependence undergoes dosage reduction or discontinuation. It is characterized by often severe sleep disturbance, irritability, increased tension and anxiety, panic attacks, hand tremor, sweating, difficulty with concentration, confusion and cognitive difficulty, memory problems, dry retching and nausea, weight loss, palpitations, headache, muscular pain and stiffness, a host of perceptual changes, hallucinations, seizures, psychosis,[1] and suicide…

Benzodiazepine withdrawal can be severe and can provoke life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, such as seizures…

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
it’s all the same. [/quote]

No, not really, not even remotely close, but I’m not going to argue with you about.

You just keep on keeping on.[/quote]

Obviously there are is differences between ingesting a foreign substance and causing a chemical reaction in the brain through an activity or satiation, but the underlying idea is that it’s different for everyone in terms of what they are able to enjoy responsibly, I’ve never done cocaine nor have I ever wanted to, but I am no stranger to the depths of internet porn, the negative consequences of overindulgence may manifest themselves much quicker with one addiction as opposed to another, but lacking the ability to cope with reality or properly deal with past experiences or feelings is the root of the problem. [/quote]

Heroin/Morphine etc causes enormous physical suffering when withdrawn from the addict. People have had seizures and died from benzodiazepam withdrawals. Alcoholics can have delirium tremens. Drug addiction is not all in the mind.
[/quote]

I’ve read that opiates and Alcohol are the ONLY PHYSICALLY addicting drugs out there. I agree that drug addiction is not all in the mind. But as far as “dangerous physical withdrawal symptoms” I think there are very few drugs that fall in this category (i.e. alcohol/opiates).[/quote]
Dont know if it was addressed but its actually benzodiazepines and Alcohol.

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]SuperVillian wrote:
it’s all the same. [/quote]

No, not really, not even remotely close, but I’m not going to argue with you about.

You just keep on keeping on.[/quote]

Obviously there are is differences between ingesting a foreign substance and causing a chemical reaction in the brain through an activity or satiation, but the underlying idea is that it’s different for everyone in terms of what they are able to enjoy responsibly, I’ve never done cocaine nor have I ever wanted to, but I am no stranger to the depths of internet porn, the negative consequences of overindulgence may manifest themselves much quicker with one addiction as opposed to another, but lacking the ability to cope with reality or properly deal with past experiences or feelings is the root of the problem. [/quote]

Heroin/Morphine etc causes enormous physical suffering when withdrawn from the addict. People have had seizures and died from benzodiazepam withdrawals. Alcoholics can have delirium tremens. Drug addiction is not all in the mind.
[/quote]

A chemical dependency can be developed, but if you want to truly conquer the disease/addiction you have to attack the issues that drew you to it in first place along with eliminating it from your lifestyle, this is all I’m saying, if you don’t attack the root of the problem it just comes up in another form, that’s what I mean when I say it’s all the same, dated a girl that was a tremendous coke head and weed addict, cut out drugs, but then became an alcoholic, she still lacked self-control or took responsibility for her actions.
[/quote]

Doesn’t this just go back to addiction itself being a “disease”? There are different ways to fulfill ones addictive nature, and I think thats basically what you are pointing out.

So what do we do if we are known to have this “disease”? Simply stay away from ALL drugs? won’t it manifest itself no matter what? (gambling, addicted to food etc.)

How do we rid ourselves of the “disease” and not just the drug? [/quote]

Psycho-analysis and subsequent increasing levels of self-control and perspective.

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Psychoanalysis is moonbattery. It’s a product of the post-modern/existentialist school.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
And weed sucks for me. I just get paranoid, can’t follow simile conversation and clean things. [/quote]

Ditto.
Plus, as with drinking, I’m at a point in my life where I’m not into a substance use for mind alteration. It sounds silly, but lifting has gone from being something that was an ego-driven surface thing in my youth, to now being damn-near meditative.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Psychoanalysis is moonbattery. It’s a product of the post-modern/existentialist school.[/quote]

Haha yeah youre right, I forgot were all androids, pffffftttttt…

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one unit gets out my system per hour

start drinking at 9pm til 11pm then 8 hours sleep equals 10 hours from starting drinking until driving.so I can drink 10 units. however,thats a bit too close to risk being caught drink driving, so I’ll make it 8 units to be safe.

1 standard UK unit = 25mm of whiskey/vodka (one standard English shot)

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Be careful, Sen. You might get sucked down deep enough into the quicksand that you can’t get out. I mean that sincerely and as a real, live online buddy.[/quote]

Push, really, if he is in Ireland (and used to be in Scotland), his level of drinking is fairly normal

in Ireland, workers at the Guinness brewery used to get part of their weekly wages paid to them in beer

Navvies used to drink 5 or 6 pints of beer a day DURING WORK

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[quote]carbiduis wrote:
That’s one of my points, just a tiny bit does the trick.[/quote]

So does Bourbon.

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It amazes me how we as a society demonize tobacco, and weed as if they’re the bane of human existence. All the while promoting and encouraging people to drink themselves stupid.

i can smoke a pack of cigarettes and live.
I can smoke weed til i pass out, and i’ll wake up hungry in a few hours.
Drink a bottle of good ole’ american jack daniels and that’s lights out forever.

I’m not advocating implementing the same draconian laws which apply to tobacco and weed for alcohol, but maybe stop throwing it in our faces so long as weed is still a schedule 1 drug.

Dont even get me started on prescription medication…

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#herestodad_passing_along_alcoholism_It’s_hereditary

“That one friend” is alcohol., not your father.

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“drink our beer flavored water, and hot chicks will fuck you”

I know alcohol advertising has it’s formula of “hot chicks in ads = sales” but this one is just blatantly insulting.

How many times tonight (hawks v packers game) will this commercial be aired?