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Energy Drinks? How Bad?

i’m new to this sight and this is my fisrt post. i dunno if there is a thread about this yet but i couldnt find one. i was just curiouse if any one new if energy drinks effect building muscle? i work the night shift and drink alot of them to stay awake and was curiouse if it is bad for building muscle, besides the loss of appitite? you know how alchohal isnt good for building muscle? any one? just curiouse. i know this is kinda a dumb post. hit me back with an answer? if im being a retard just let me know.

i know they’re not healthy for you… i dont know exactly why but they aren’t good to have in excessive amounts

The head honcho of PVL Nutrition Jim McMahon (sp?) wrote an article on them explaining why they’re bad. I might be able to find the magazine its in or i’ll ask him if i see him next week which one its in

[quote]nickmiller wrote:
i’m new to this sight and this is my fisrt post. i dunno if there is a thread about this yet but i couldnt find one. i was just curiouse if any one new if energy drinks effect building muscle? i work the night shift and drink alot of them to stay awake and was curiouse if it is bad for building muscle, besides the loss of appitite? you know how alchohal isnt good for building muscle? any one? just curiouse. i know this is kinda a dumb post. hit me back with an answer? if im being a retard just let me know.[/quote]

For the average person, the typical energy drink isn’t going to keep them from building muscle any more than coffee would.

Besides, it doesn’t make sense to generalize about energy drinks since their ingredients can vary significantly from brand to brand. Most have caffeine, but after they can be completely different from one another.

You might be better off asking about specific drinks if you want better feedback.

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
nickmiller wrote:
i’m new to this sight and this is my fisrt post. i dunno if there is a thread about this yet but i couldnt find one. i was just curiouse if any one new if energy drinks effect building muscle? i work the night shift and drink alot of them to stay awake and was curiouse if it is bad for building muscle, besides the loss of appitite? you know how alchohal isnt good for building muscle? any one? just curiouse. i know this is kinda a dumb post. hit me back with an answer? if im being a retard just let me know.

For the average person, the typical energy drink isn’t going to keep them from building muscle any more than coffee would.

Besides, it doesn’t make sense to generalize about energy drinks since their ingredients can vary significantly from brand to brand. Most have caffeine, but after they can be completely different from one another.

You might be better off asking about specific drinks if you want better feedback.
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Just use google and you can find a thousand articles about why they are bad

[quote]HK24719 wrote:
nickmiller wrote:
i’m new to this sight and this is my fisrt post. i dunno if there is a thread about this yet but i couldnt find one. i was just curiouse if any one new if energy drinks effect building muscle? i work the night shift and drink alot of them to stay awake and was curiouse if it is bad for building muscle, besides the loss of appitite? you know how alchohal isnt good for building muscle? any one? just curiouse. i know this is kinda a dumb post. hit me back with an answer? if im being a retard just let me know.

For the average person, the typical energy drink isn’t going to keep them from building muscle any more than coffee would.

Besides, it doesn’t make sense to generalize about energy drinks since their ingredients can vary significantly from brand to brand. Most have caffeine, but after they can be completely different from one another.

You might be better off asking about specific drinks if you want better feedback.
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well the ones i drink are monster which is mostley caffiene ginsing and guarana along with high fructos corn syrup

alright. i mean i know there bad for you. i do alot of things bad for me. i’m a smoker too. but im just wondering if its specificaly bad for body building, aside from the loss of appitete which would make it harder to gain weight. but i can eat on them, i guess im wondering if anyone knows a healthyer altternitive to energy drinks?

[quote]nickmiller wrote:
i guess im wondering if anyone knows a healthyer altternitive to energy drinks? [/quote]

black coffee

[quote]nickmiller wrote:
alright. i mean i know there bad for you. i do alot of things bad for me. i’m a smoker too. but im just wondering if its specificaly bad for body building, aside from the loss of appitete which would make it harder to gain weight. but i can eat on them, i guess im wondering if anyone knows a healthyer altternitive to energy drinks? [/quote]

You guys sound like a bunch of soccer moms.

If you’re going to claim that energy drinks are bad lets at least have some substantiation.

Granted, some are filled with sugar, but there are sugar free alternatives like Spike.

Lets hear what’s otherwise so bad about them.

[quote]Petermus wrote:
Just use google and you can find a thousand articles about why they are bad
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Thousands of articles?

Why don’t you give an example of just one?

Depends how old you are. Drinks with caffeine or substances that act upon the nervous system like caffeine cause vasoconstriction which decreases the body’s ability to deliver proper oxygen levels to the heart muscle (myocardium). A recent study I read from the NEJM noted that these substances can decrease myocardial oxygen levels up to 30%.

If you’re young and have a great heart it’s not a big deal, but as you get older your heart and it’s ability to pump adequately (ejection fraction) decrease.That decline coincidentally is why older guys that continue to exercise still lose capacity. It’s the heart that limits your VO2 max.

So, if your heart is already declining and you expose it to the added efects of the drinks it increass the risk of too little oxygen getting to the heart resulting in damage. The problem really comes with cumulative bouts of minute damage though because cardiac muscle cells once lost are gone forever and won’t be replaced.

Pardon my typos

[quote]amphibian wrote:
Depends how old you are. Drinks with caffeine or substances that act upon the nervous system like caffeine cause vasoconstriction which decreases the body’s ability to deliver proper oxygen levels to the heart muscle (myocardium). A recent study I read from the NEJM noted that these substances can decrease myocardial oxygen levels up to 30%.

If you’re young and have a great heart it’s not a big deal, but as you get older your heart and it’s ability to pump adequately (ejection fraction) decrease.That decline coincidentally is why older guys that continue to exercise still lose capacity. It’s the heart that limits your VO2 max.

So, if your heart is already declining and you expose it to the added efects of the drinks it increass the risk of too little oxygen getting to the heart resulting in damage. The problem really comes with cumulative bouts of minute damage though because cardiac muscle cells once lost are gone forever and won’t be replaced.

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I must admit I haven’t read any articles because I’m not all that concerned about whether they’re bad for building muscle. However, I’ve always found caffeine to act on me as a vasodilator. After I have a cup of coffee or any caffeine drink the backs of my hands look like they’re alive with worms.

As far as energy drinks/supplements go, I like redline just before training. For me, it provides an even energy boost.

“I’ve always found caffeine to act on me as a vasodilator. After I have a cup of coffee or any caffeine drink the backs of my hands look like they’re alive with worms”

That’s because you’re an anatomical freak. joking

That’s secondarily due to the pressor effect of caffeine on the arterial tree, it’s not indicative of myocardial oxygenation which is the potential problem since you only have two wee arteries supplying the heart. When myocardial oxygen drops the heart beats faster and with more force, which is a viscious cycle that only increases myocardial oxygen demand when there’s not enough blood available in the first place due to spasm, clot formation or whatever.

That’s why someone with angina is given nitro instead of caffeine.

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

As far as energy drinks/supplements go, I like redline just before training. For me, it provides an even energy boost.[/quote]

I picked up a redline for work this morning and noticed that it has 5-HTP, which I thought odd. Might explain why I was overwhelmingly happy at 7am.

Caffeine(and caffeine like substances) also blocks adenosine receptors, which can potentially have negative effects on the nervous system and heart. Unfortunately, that is also how it makes you alert.

In moderation and without significant predisposing factors it’s likely not something to worry about in moderation. People should realize though as they get older the risk increases.

[quote]wfifer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:

I picked up a redline for work this morning and noticed that it has 5-HTP, which I thought odd. Might explain why I was overwhelmingly happy at 7am. [/quote]

Geek :slight_smile:

OP: On a more simplistic level: If you need a bunch of energy drinks to stay awake, you probably aren’t getting enough sleep to grow/recover properly.

Might want to look at fixing the why (you need stimulants) before the what (form you take it in).

[quote]wfifer wrote:
ouroboro_s wrote:

As far as energy drinks/supplements go, I like redline just before training. For me, it provides an even energy boost.

I picked up a redline for work this morning and noticed that it has 5-HTP, which I thought odd. Might explain why I was overwhelmingly happy at 7am. [/quote]

Now I have to look up what 5-HTP is. Thanks for that :slight_smile:

According to wikipedia, it’s also present in cheese. Now I know why I like cheeseburgers. I always thought it was the juicy goodness. Who knew.

I must say I love redline but only use a half serving when I’m training otherwise my eyeballs buzz. It’s also great for meets. It doesn’t spike and crash on me. Otherwise, I stick to coffee.

[quote]bulldog24 wrote:
OP: On a more simplistic level: If you need a bunch of energy drinks to stay awake, you probably aren’t getting enough sleep to grow/recover properly.

Might want to look at fixing the why (you need stimulants) before the what (form you take it in).

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i know, its my job though i work at night. by the way while i was in the marine corps a captian drank a redline on a hike we were doing at pendleton and had a heart attack so im not sure thats good befor trainning. anyway thanks for the feedback ima kick them and hopefully ciggarettes too, iv been avoiding it becouse iv taken all other junkfood out of my diet. but i guess if i dont stop now i never will.

[quote]amphibian wrote:

Geek :-)[/quote]

I like knowing what’s in my supplements. =p

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

Now I have to look up what 5-HTP is. Thanks for that :slight_smile:

According to wikipedia, it’s also present in cheese. Now I know why I like cheeseburgers. I always thought it was the juicy goodness. Who knew.

I must say I love redline but only use a half serving when I’m training otherwise my eyeballs buzz. It’s also great for meets. It doesn’t spike and crash on me. Otherwise, I stick to coffee.[/quote]

Well more notably it’s in Biotest’s Z12, which is kinda the opposite of redline. Redline also has vinpo, which might be cool if I knew the dosage…the rest of the crap is standard energy drink stuff I believe. There’s no taurine, which is nice.

I had half a bottle before the gym today and I hated every minute of it. It’s overstimulating. About a year ago I could drink two bottles on shift at the gym. So it’s nice to know that I’m back to normal! I’ll stick to Power Drive.