Hey man, I see nothing in your bloodwork that really indicates to me that you have issues other than primary hypogonadism. If your doctor is not being cooperative, I wouldn’t blame you for trying to take things into your own hand, but obviously its always best to get a doc on board.
If I were you, I would try the SERM to see if more LH will induce a corresponding increase in T. I’m pretty doubtful that it will, but a short trial will give you information before resigning yourself to a life of T injections.
The only other thing I might suggest would be to trial some DHEA (did you ever get this tested?) to see if that will give your body more hormones from which to make T, but I’m doubtful. And it sounds like you might be from a country that strangely bans DHEA supplements, so you would have to get it through a doctor or import it from international sources.
Hmm… I’m swaying towards doing a PCT just to trial it. How do you reckon I should do it?
I never got DHEA tested. If I had adrenal fatigue wouldn’t my DHEA be low, which could cause Low test? Is that a possibility? And yes DHEA is banned in Australia… what isn’t banned in Australia?
Strangely enough over the last week and a half I have been using Animal Pak and Animal Stak together. Stak is a test booster. My lifts have all improved over the last week and I feel stronger. I’m pretty sure it isn’t placebo either since I’ve tried tribulus and d-aspartate all with no result. My understanding is animal stak works by increasing LH. If it is actually working, could this indicate that a PCT would kick-start me again? And if that is the case, why would I have dropped to this level?
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Hmm… I’m swaying towards doing a PCT just to trial it. How do you reckon I should do it?
I never got DHEA tested. If I had adrenal fatigue wouldn’t my DHEA be low, which could cause Low test? Is that a possibility? And yes DHEA is banned in Australia… what isn’t banned in Australia?
Strangely enough over the last week and a half I have been using Animal Pak and Animal Stak together. Stak is a test booster. My lifts have all improved over the last week and I feel stronger. I’m pretty sure it isn’t placebo either since I’ve tried tribulus and d-aspartate all with no result. My understanding is animal stak works by increasing LH. If it is actually working, could this indicate that a PCT would kick-start me again? And if that is the case, why would I have dropped to this level?[/quote]
If your dhea-s levels are low there are doctors that could possibly prescribe it in Australia. But be prepared to pay a premium for it, $70 a bottle that costs $8 in the USA.
From personal experience supplementing Dhea did not have any noticeable effect on my well being.
I went to my doc to ask for DHEA as a possible supplement. Told me to go back to the endo, because he wasn’t familiar with it. I’m trying a new endo on 22nd Feb, so hopefully I have some success. In the meantime I got some more results
Cortisol Morning 573 nmol/L (138-690) range
Cortisol Saliva taken at 12am: <3 nmol/L (<9) range
So from looking at that adrenal function looks OK right?
I got Vitamin D test results too…
S 25OH VIT D 84 nmol/L (75-250)
To me, that Vit D looks a bit low? Can that cause low test?
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate?
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate? [/quote]
I asked him about gel/cypionate/enanthate. He reckons with cypionate and doing it weekly/fortnightly, the levels will fluctuate too much. He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release. He reckons at the 12 week mark when I get tested we’ll know how effective it is and if I need a different dose. He reckons he has a few patients my age on it at the moment and they feel great. Can’t wait.
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate? [/quote]
I asked him about gel/cypionate/enanthate. He reckons with cypionate and doing it weekly/fortnightly, the levels will fluctuate too much. He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release. He reckons at the 12 week mark when I get tested we’ll know how effective it is and if I need a different dose. He reckons he has a few patients my age on it at the moment and they feel great. Can’t wait.
[/quote]
Will be anxious to see your results. Will you get blood work during the 12 week period to see where levels are at?
Either way, it will be interesting to hear your feedback on this!
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate? [/quote]
I asked him about gel/cypionate/enanthate. He reckons with cypionate and doing it weekly/fortnightly, the levels will fluctuate too much. He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release. He reckons at the 12 week mark when I get tested we’ll know how effective it is and if I need a different dose. He reckons he has a few patients my age on it at the moment and they feel great. Can’t wait.
[/quote]
Will be anxious to see your results. Will you get blood work during the 12 week period to see where levels are at?
Either way, it will be interesting to hear your feedback on this!
[/quote]
He didnt ask me to do any blood work during the 12 weeks. Im getting a second shot at the 6 week mark to kick start so he said its best to test at 12 weeks while the testosterone is at full strength. He reckons after that once levels are high enough its once every 12 week maintenance shots. I think at that stage Ill probably do tests more often to see if my levels are fluctuating much and take it from there. Sounds logical since its a 1000mg shot…
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate? [/quote]
I asked him about gel/cypionate/enanthate. He reckons with cypionate and doing it weekly/fortnightly, the levels will fluctuate too much. He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release. He reckons at the 12 week mark when I get tested we’ll know how effective it is and if I need a different dose. He reckons he has a few patients my age on it at the moment and they feel great. Can’t wait.
[/quote]
Will be anxious to see your results. Will you get blood work during the 12 week period to see where levels are at?
Either way, it will be interesting to hear your feedback on this!
[/quote]
He didnt ask me to do any blood work during the 12 weeks. Im getting a second shot at the 6 week mark to kick start so he said its best to test at 12 weeks while the testosterone is at full strength. He reckons after that once levels are high enough its once every 12 week maintenance shots. I think at that stage Ill probably do tests more often to see if my levels are fluctuating much and take it from there. Sounds logical since its a 1000mg shot…[/quote]
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release.
[/quote]
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
Just thought I’d give you guys an update. I think the lexapro absolutely destroyed my test. I started to feel very tired and get muscle aches. Got another test done and I came in at 6.0mol/L and my free test was very low too. Went back to the other endo I was seeing and he got on board. He’s put me on Reandron 1000 4ml injection once every 12 weeks. 2 in the first 12 weeks to get kickstarted. Its testosterone Undecanoate 1000. Gotta get an MRI on pituitary and ultrasound on testes. Got heaps of blood work to do at the 12 week mark too. Atleast I’ve finally made some progress. Now to get that jab and get off this dirty medication…[/quote]
I am glad that you found someone you can work with but the protocol he has you on might need to be seriously looked at and adjusted.
Shot every 12 weeks?!?!
If he is okay with you going on TRT, maybe he will be okay with you injecting more frequently with enanthate or cypionate? [/quote]
I asked him about gel/cypionate/enanthate. He reckons with cypionate and doing it weekly/fortnightly, the levels will fluctuate too much. He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release. He reckons at the 12 week mark when I get tested we’ll know how effective it is and if I need a different dose. He reckons he has a few patients my age on it at the moment and they feel great. Can’t wait.
[/quote]
Will be anxious to see your results. Will you get blood work during the 12 week period to see where levels are at?
Either way, it will be interesting to hear your feedback on this!
[/quote]
He didnt ask me to do any blood work during the 12 weeks. Im getting a second shot at the 6 week mark to kick start so he said its best to test at 12 weeks while the testosterone is at full strength. He reckons after that once levels are high enough its once every 12 week maintenance shots. I think at that stage Ill probably do tests more often to see if my levels are fluctuating much and take it from there. Sounds logical since its a 1000mg shot…[/quote]
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release.
[/quote]
Does he reckon this is accomplished via voodoo?
[/quote]
Lol. No idea mate. I hope he knows what he’s talking about.
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release.
[/quote]
Does he reckon this is accomplished via voodoo?
[/quote]
Lol. No idea mate. I hope he knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]
I reckon he doesn’t. I reckon your doc may be an idiot.
[quote]mickyc357 wrote:
He reckons Reandron is a new method thats being used and doesnt involve a peak or fluctuation in test levels as its very slow release.
[/quote]
Does he reckon this is accomplished via voodoo?
[/quote]
Lol. No idea mate. I hope he knows what he’s talking about. [/quote]
I reckon he doesn’t. I reckon your doc may be an idiot.
[/quote]
Either way its a start. If it doesn’t work Ill push for another treatment/ more frequent dosing.
Quick question guys. So far lhe reandron seems to be starting to kick in now. I can tell since my strength in the gym has skyrocketed. Question is my doc has instructed me to stay on lexapro for a little longer. My understanding is that ssri will lower test through an increase in prolactin. Does it only lower natural test or can it affect the exogenous test as well?.
This Reandron stuff is either shit or my body just doesnt like it. The past few months have been a rollercoaster ride.
I had my first shot at the start of the year, then waited 6 weeks for the second. In between the first and second shot I started to go down hill. ( I’m assuming as my natural test started to shut down my levels plummeted). Second shot didnt do much so my GP gave me 20 sachets of Testogel 50mg which I used while waiting for the second shot to kick in. Anyways, I didn’t go back to the way I was feeling after my first Reandron shot.
I got blood work done at 12 weeks:
Total test was: 10.7 nmol/L (12-32)
Freetest: 226.49 pmol/L (260-740)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (12-57) (has risen)
S E2: 113 pmol/L (<160)
Anyway Endo then gave me another shot then straight away and suggested another booster 4 weeks later.
I got tested a couple of days ago (4 week) mark and wasnt feeling too good.
Total test was 14.4nmol/L
free test : 380 pmol/L
SHBG: 16 nmol/L
S E2: 38 pmol/L
(I had dosed liquidex a couple of times as I assumed my E2 had gotten high but after some research I think I went too low judging by the second result)
Anyways just had my 4 week booster shot and I’m pushing to get another shot at the 8 week mark and push for 8 weekly shots since this seems like the absolute max amount of time you would want to leave between shots based on 12 weeks sending back in to low territory and based on what I’ve seen around the net.
If not I’m gonna find another doc who will prescribe Enanthate…